Genryusai Yamamoto vs. Master Roshi

Several problems with this thread:

Toriyama did not realize what he was doing with Tao because he has no idea what math is. Feat must be disregarded as stupid trash, imo.

This would be the fighting speed of characters, not the linear speed. Fighting speed is not the same thing as jumping in a straight line.

Quantify the speed of fighting movements, not jumps or some sh*t. Then we can talk about how fast they are compared to each other.

As it goes, in Bleach, their strikes and fighting movements are faster than pre-time skip DB feats. At least IMO.

the way people act when it comes to DBZ characters and powerscaling suggests that they have cameras that can track ftl movements in the timeskip.

There are no FTL DBZ characters.

Though, recent calcs put Mystic Gohan and Buutenks at mach 20,000 reaction-time, and capable of dishing out some shit like a quintillion tons of force with a punch (Oh boy I just gave carver some fuel).

dadudemon, why is it trash?

Also, Roshi has also, after they were fired, turned around and caught hails of machine-gun fire casually and in his non-full powered mode.

And lolno, not falling into the combat vs. movement speed shit, Tao had to react to the thrown pillar, outstrip it, and land on it, which, with the mach 14 feat, puts Tao comfortably above any quantifiable Bleach speed feat short of Dangai Ichigo.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Toriyama did not realize what he was doing with Tao because he has no idea what math is. Feat must be disregarded as stupid trash, imo.

This would be the fighting speed of characters, not the linear speed. Fighting speed is not the same thing as jumping in a straight line.

Quantify the speed of fighting movements, not jumps or some sh*t. Then we can talk about how fast they are compared to each other.

As it goes, in Bleach, their strikes and fighting movements are faster than pre-time skip DB feats. At least IMO. [/B]

Why? If he is bad at maths then thats more the reason to accept the fan calc of Ma14, not his 7.

Isnt the whole movement vs combat speed thing dependant on the character or series? IMO there should be either an in-series reason or a blindingly solid one to suggest it.

Also whats the difference between combat speed and jumping speed? Theyre both similar movements with the only differemce being the range.

Ma20,000 huh? Well.. damn.

Originally posted by NemeBro
There are no FTL DBZ characters.

Piccolo blew up the moon and the blast took about a second to get there.... lol, that's not lightspeed?

You are contradicting yourself unless you're admitting that Toriyama was extremely lazy, inconsistent and completely disrespectful when it came to math. If you are admitting that, then it makes your entire argument about speed nonsense.

Now, for characters to continuously dodge progressively more powerful (fast) kai blasts, it means they are indeed ftl. So either the characters ARE faster than light, or things that happen in the series can't be measured using real world math because the creator didn't give a crap about real world math or being consistent in the way he portrayed speed.

Actually the light and Piccolo's blast raced to the moon. The light won.

what?

YouTube video

3:55. what light are you talking about? The blast gets there in less than 2 seconds, the energy goes into the moon, the moon explodes.

Originally posted by NemeBro
dadudemon, why is it trash?

Mostly because it is my opinion...but partly because I said so. uhuh

Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, Roshi has also, after they were fired, turned around and caught hails of machine-gun fire casually and in his non-full powered mode.

This does not require movements any faster than Mach 1 (or far less).

I think even you explained this, before. It was not you, then I'll explain it again.

Moving your hand 1 foot to intercept bullet to bullet does not require you to move your hands at the same speed the bullets are traveling. It just requires you move your hands fast enough to move from point A to point B in the time it takes bullets A and B arrive at their destination.

Let us use the AK-47 because it is ****ing reliable and has a nice number to work with.

It fires 600 rounds per minute so it fires 10 rounds a second. Pretend the pattern is within 1 foot (meaning, consecutive bullets stay within 1 foot of each other on a "target" but no more). So you have to move your hands 1 foot, at the most, between each bullet. That means you have to move 10 feet in 1 second to keep up with the incoming bullets. I will produce an average speed for you to give you an indication of how fast he his moving his hands:

10 feet a second = 6.8 miles per hour.

Originally posted by NemeBro
And lolno, not falling into the combat vs. movement speed shit, Tao had to react to the thrown pillar, outstrip it, and land on it, which, with the mach 14 feat, puts Tao comfortably above any quantifiable Bleach speed feat short of Dangai Ichigo.

You must entertain the linear movement vs. combat speed argument. You have no choice if you choose to participate. If Tao could fight at mach 14, we would have had a much different story from him. Surely you realize this?

Additionally, training yourself to jump in the same direction as something you just threw is hardly indicative of you masterful you. We do this thing all the time as humans. We just don't do it at the speeds Tao did. He does not have to know where the pillar is, at all, in order to jump on it. It's superhuman strength and his martial arts mastery to do a very stringent action in a very perfect way (again, the same thing we as humans do in martial arts just without the super strength and perception) that allows him to jump on the pillar. This does not mean, however, that he fights at mach 14. It just means he can jump in a single direction at mach 14. It's still a shit feat because I am quite sure Toriyama didn't think about wind resistance, the forces required to accomplish that ask, and the practicality of throwing an object that hard (and the massive crater that would happen...much less the burning due to the wind resistance that would occur...man, so many shit physics related things going on).

Like I said...it is combat speed we should always measure, NOT linear jumping motions.

Notice that I have not picked a side? Regardless, I, for once, think Marawash is right about his points. 😐

Originally posted by marwash22
...or things that happen in the series can't be measured using real world math because the creator didn't give a crap about real world math or being consistent in the way he portrayed speed.

This...

But I'd argue that some things COULD still be measured. Just not everything.

Originally posted by marwash22
what?

YouTube video

3:55. what light are you talking about? The blast gets there in less than 2 seconds, the energy goes into the moon, the moon explodes.

The moon does not shine. It reflects light from the sun. The light had been at the moon long before Piccolo's blast. vin

On another note...Gohan has a very very tiny package. No wonder he doesn't want to fight: he has not manhood to make him aggressive.

He got to bang Videl. Gotta respect him for that.

I like Videl. mmm

I like Bra. I would have so sharked her in that tube top. Let them kittens get some air, mang! lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
I like Bra. I would have so sharked her in that tube top. Let them kittens get some air, mang! lol

I do too...but how old was she? I mean, she certainly looked like a teenager but...yeah.

Originally posted by marwash22
According to you, that makes no sense.

Piccolo blew up the moon and the blast took about a second to get there.... lol, that's not lightspeed?

You are contradicting yourself unless you're admitting that Toriyama was extremely lazy, inconsistent and completely disrespectful when it came to math. If you are admitting that, then it makes your entire argument about speed nonsense.

Now, for characters to continuously dodge progressively more powerful (fast) kai blasts, it means they are indeed ftl. So either the characters ARE faster than light, or things that happen in the series can't be measured using real world math because the creator didn't give a crap about real world math or being consistent in the way he portrayed speed.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Mostly because it is my opinion...but partly because I said so. uhuh

Nah.

This does not require movements any faster than Mach 1 (or far less).

I think even you explained this, before. It was not you, then I'll explain it again.

Moving your hand 1 foot to intercept bullet to bullet does not require you to move your hands at the same speed the bullets are traveling. It just requires you move your hands fast enough to move from point A to point B in the time it takes bullets A and B arrive at their destination.

Let us use the AK-47 because it is ****ing reliable and has a nice number to work with.

It fires 600 rounds per minute so it fires 10 rounds a second. Pretend the pattern is within 1 foot (meaning, consecutive bullets stay within 1 foot of each other on a "target" but no more). So you have to move your hands 1 foot, at the most, between each bullet. That means you have to move 10 feet in 1 second to keep up with the incoming bullets. I will produce an average speed for you to give you an indication of how fast he his moving his hands:

10 feet a second = 6.8 miles per hour.

No.

You must entertain the linear movement vs. combat speed argument.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah.

No.

Afraid not.

This is the best argument I have ever seen. I am swayed by your weighty logic and amend my position.

I know, right? Sometimes I surprise myself.

Though on a serious note, upon further reflection, I might have to be pressed to consider Roshi busting the moon a serious outlier at the time he did it.

Since a full power blast from Piccolo later was "only" capable of destroying a city.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I know, right? Sometimes I surprise myself.

Though on a serious note, upon further reflection, I might have to be pressed to consider Roshi busting the moon a serious outlier at the time he did it.

Since a full power blast from Piccolo later was "only" capable of destroying a city.

You're coming aboard with my reasoning, now.

It is only a matter of time before I convince you to throw out the stupid powerful, but completely illogical and factually impossible feats, feats from some comic book characters.

The Thing can demolish plateaus.

No he can't. 😐

Edward can tear Thing apart, limb from limb. 😐 Thing would beg to have rough rock sex with Edward rather than death.