Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Most of those are already on every herald.You're basically saying claws and fighting skill make the leap from herald to trans level.
If Silver Surfer had claws and better fighting skill he would be a trans level character. THE CLAWS!
Claws and grade A fighting skills (not better fighting skills) alone are enough to make him at least a trans level being. Also you are forgetting that we are assuming the PC will be stacked on top of his powers. That means the comparison of Wolverine vs. human Norrin would stay almost the same when both have the PC. That means Logan will have better reflexes.
The primary reason Logan would be trans or higher is for the simple fact that he could one shot kill any herald (including Superman and Thor). And this is something Thanos can't dream of doing without something like the IG.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Actually Surfer can always create himself primary adamatium clawsSurfer also always has feats where he simply manifests new body parts and stuff so basically he has a HF.
But Surfer's creativity will prevent him from doing that. Surfer not dying when separated into pieces is PIS since this would make him undefeatable by any herald (even by Thanos) and ignore the VAST majority of his career.
Originally posted by h1a8Because every herald gets the same amount of power as Surfer amirite?
Claws and grade A fighting skills (not better fighting skills) alone are enough to make him at least a trans level being. Also you are forgetting that we are assuming the PC will be stacked on top of his powers. That means the comparison of Wolverine vs. human Norrin would stay almost the same when both have the PC. That means Logan will have better reflexes.The primary reason Logan would be trans or higher is for the simple fact that he could one shot kill any herald (including Superman and Thor). And this is something Thanos can't dream of doing without something like the IG.
Your argument is basically saying Morg is a trans because he's got a sharp blade with lots of strength.
Originally posted by h1a8Everything goes back to Thanos with you.
But Surfer's creativity will prevent him from doing that. Surfer not dying when separated into pieces is PIS since this would make him undefeatable by any herald (even by Thanos) and ignore the VAST majority of his career.
I don't even know why I'm trying to respond to you when you make Carver look like a genius
Silver Surfer = High Herald.
Silver Surfer + Wolverine = Trans Level.
So martial arts training and claws would make this hypothetical character beyond the High Herald Tier (seeing as virtually everything else Logan brings to the table is redundant or downright inferior to what Surfer already can do).
That is probably the outright dumbest thing I've ever heard concerning Wolverine, and I've heard a lot.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Silver Surfer = High Herald.Silver Surfer + Wolverine = Trans Level.
So martial arts training and claws would make this hypothetical character beyond the High Herald Tier (seeing as virtually everything else Logan brings to the table is redundant or downright inferior to what Surfer already can do).
That is probably the outright dumbest thing I've ever heard concerning Wolverine, and I've heard a lot.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Flash, His speed force powers + flight + Matter Manip + Cosmic Awareness + supreme psionic. This character would be beasty. I woul dchoose Wally, smart and resourceful and IMO wouldn't have any problem adapting to the new powers and maybe finding out to do more exotic stuff by combining his own abilities with his new ones.
Originally posted by Sr J-BiebVery rarely does Carver have a good point. Just because someone is a bad debater doesn't mean it's impossible for them to make sense once in a while.
Because every herald gets the same amount of power as Surfer amirite?
Because claws and fighting skills make you move up an entire tier when your everything is below the tier next to you.Your argument is basically saying Morg is a trans because he's got a sharp blade with lots of strength.
Everything goes back to Thanos with you.
I don't even know why I'm trying to respond to you when you make Carver look like a genius
So if every herald gets the same amount of power then that means no stacking of physical abilities? Logan doesn't get a slight edge in reflexes or limb movement speed or strength? If not, then he is still at least Trans.
Morg doesn't have the skill Wolverine has (huge difference here). Plus the axe is much slower. Morg's character also doesn't allow him to always try to chop someone with the axe (he shoots blasts and does other stuff).
It's very easy to see. Imagine a large group of equal humans with equal power. But one human has level 7 superior fighting skills and adamantium claws. This human could one shot slaughter any other human with ease. Thus he must be in a higher tier than they are.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Silver Surfer = High Herald.Silver Surfer + Wolverine = Trans Level.
So martial arts training and claws would make this hypothetical character beyond the High Herald Tier (seeing as virtually everything else Logan brings to the table is redundant or downright inferior to what Surfer already can do).
That is probably the outright dumbest thing I've ever heard concerning Wolverine, and I've heard a lot.
How would you define Trans? Wouldn't be the ability to beat any (or most) heralds with not too much trouble? If so then, name three heralds that would either beat Wolverine or give him super great trouble. Because IMO, Logan would one or two shot any herald within a small moment of fighting. This is assuming all heralds fight in character and not with CIS off.
H1a8 and carver....I can see their viewpoint. Amongst streets, Wolverine is pretty high up there. Give him herald powers, and he could dominate that tier in a similar manner.
I mean, his healing factor lets him tangle with people outside his weight class, though you could always argue that's due to PIS...
Light speed reflexes...gives Wolverine the ability to hit any target.
Adamantium claws PLUS class 100 strength...gives Wolverine the ability to one shot kill any Herald.
Superb fighting skills..grade A. Gives Wolverine the ability to out perform any Herald in a fight.
Increase in Healing Factor...can't drop him.
Invulnerability stacked on top of his healing factor..can't stop him.
He could literally rip through any Herald with little trouble. Why wouldn't he be trans tier? No Herald stands a chance against him.
Originally posted by h1a8Holy. Crap.
How would you define Trans? Wouldn't be the ability to beat any (or most) heralds with not too much trouble? If so then, name three heralds that would either beat Wolverine or give him super great trouble. Because IMO, Logan would one or two shot any herald within a small moment of fighting. This is assuming all heralds fight in character and not with CIS off.