Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusCould very well be, I just don't remember. I haven't read the Cable/Deadpool stuff in YEARS.
Been a while since I read it but IIRC Cable had already began burning up at that point (Weakened) and at was holding up Providence -his island- while battling Surfer as well.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Was that stated? I don't remember. Been a long time since I read that comic.
pretty sure. if i wasn't so damn lazy i'd look it up 😮
i could be misremembering, but that was my impression. i know he was doing a lot before the fight and that he wasn't really trying to kill ss.
like i said, doesn't really matter as regards the thread. glads' weakness is mental--kinda cable's strong suit.
Also, all Cable did was get a nose bleed from blowing up and funneling 2 hundred and some missiles, and that was right before the Surfer fight.
I wouldn't say he was burning out, but he was keeping Providence up.
Either way you slice it, a board destroying TK blast from Cable seriously hurts Gladiator. His TP could make him piss his pants. And his reflexes are lightspeed. Along with shields, and teleportation, Gladiator doesn't do very well here.
Cable was damaged when he fought Surfer...he kept nose bleeds throughout the arc from consistently fighting Super Teams, holding up space stations, subduing Earths weapons, telepathically keeping tabs on shield, the XMen and around the globe as well. Then he stopped hundreds of missles from going off while doing majority of the things mentioned above.
Surfer fought a taxed, holding back Cable that wasn't even fighting him back.
As for this fight, Cable wins just like he would win against any Herald.
Originally posted by carver9
Cable was damaged when he fought Surfer...he kept nose bleeds throughout the arc from consistently fighting Super Teams, holding up space stations, subduing Earths weapons, telepathically keeping tabs on shield, the XMen and around the globe as well. Then he stopped hundreds of missles from going off while doing majority of the things mentioned above.Surfer fought a taxed, holding back Cable that wasn't even fighting him back.
As for this fight, Cable wins just like he would win against any Herald.
Except Silver Surfer.
Or Shaman Nate Grey.
Or Genis-Vell.
Or Green Lantern.
Originally posted by carver9
Cable was damaged when he fought Surfer...he kept nose bleeds throughout the arc from consistently fighting Super Teams, holding up space stations, subduing Earths weapons, telepathically keeping tabs on shield, the XMen and around the globe as well. Then he stopped hundreds of missles from going off while doing majority of the things mentioned above.Surfer fought a taxed, holding back Cable that wasn't even fighting him back.
As for this fight, Cable wins just like he would win against any Herald.
I know Cable had a nose bleed and was beginning to weaken before the battle with Surfer but it wasn't happening throughout the entire arc. Funneling that huge explosion into the atmosphere, keeping Providence afloat, keeping tabs on the World telepathically on top of everything else he accomplished did take it's toll so he wasn't at a hundred percent.
Cable definitely wasn't as aggressive as Surfer for most of the battle which is the likely reason why Surfer controlled the flow but he didn't have much more power to give. Imo, Norrin would have won sooner or later.
Nah, there are heralds who can beat him. Shaman would and has, Surfer, Superman etc.
Originally posted by leonidas
mostly sure that's right. id would know off the top of his head.
Before the fight took place. Cable was doing planetary tk/tp feats for days end with out rest..and I mean no rest (even in his sleep)...all while the Floating Island Providence piggy back ride on his tk.
Thats when the government struck Providence with their 200 plus nuclear strike. Cable nose bleed, and thats was the opening q needed since their plan involved sending the X-Men upon the moment of weakness.
After the X-Men where promptly defeated....and given that there was no one Earth that could challenge Cable ATM (Cable had preped for any Earth Bound encounter). Richards called on his last minute back up, and hope that Surfer would commit.
All in all. There where factors to consider, Cable was undisputedly fighting in weak, and limited state.
His body was approaching his limit. (Hence the nose bleed).
His telekinesis where being limited by holding providence up.
He was applying world class telepathy, to the point of ionizing the entire planet with his brain waves.
I just like to note that Cable encounter with the X-Men is one of the more impressive showings. Because despite the multitasking taking place (Keeping Providence Afloat, Planetary TP), on top of his body beginning to show signs of burning out.
He no sold the X-Men with two potent telapaths (Rachel/Emma), and anti psi weapons had no effect on him.
As for the match. If the Surfer could not land a clean hit in a blitz, what chances does Gladiator have? Regardless even if lands a clean hit, Cables counted on an insanely high regen. Unlike the Surfer, we know for certain that Kallark is wide open for telepathic assault.
Kallark is going to get chewed out.
Originally posted by "Id"Hey it seems Hope can control the powers of other mutants aswell as borrowing/using them. Whats your take on this on i know its off subject 😐
I just like to note that Cable encounter with the X-Men is one of the more impressive showings. Because despite the multitasking taking place (Keeping Providence Afloat, Planetary TP), on top of his body beginning to show signs of burning out.He no sold the X-Men with two potent telapaths (Rachel/Emma), and anti psi weapons had no effect on him.
As for the match. If the Surfer could not land a clean hit in a blitz, what chances does Gladiator have? Regardless even if lands a clean hit, Cables counted on an insanely high regen. Unlike the Surfer, we know for certain that Kallark is wide open for telepathic assault.
Kallark is going to get chewed out.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Hey it seems Hope can control the powers of other mutants aswell as borrowing/using them. Whats your take on this on i know its off subject 😐
Hope is the mutants DEM.
So far we know she can borrow other mutants powers by mere thought (touch not necessary).
While she borrows those powers, those powers are amped to the Nth level.
Wield those powers like a pro.
She can also control the powers of mutants against their will.
And seemingly tap into the Phoenix Force.
And yet remain incredibly useless, despite Cable training? She is like this love child between Rachel/Rouge.
What else can I say? Hope is the mutants DEM, the way Sentry was for Avengers.
At least they made Sentry character interesting towards the end. I am not certain the same can be said about Hope. Which is a shame, because I absolutely enjoyed the entire Messiah trilogy arc.
Originally posted by "Id"👆 Gotcha. She is rather useless 😬
Hope is the mutants DEM.So far we know she can borrow other mutants powers by mere thought (touch not necessary).
While she borrows those powers, those powers are amped to the Nth level.
Wield those powers like a pro.
She can also control the powers of mutants against their will.
And seemingly tap into the Phoenix Force.And yet remain incredibly useless, despite Cable training? She is like this love child between Rachel/Rouge.
What else can I say? Hope is the mutants DEM, the way Sentry was for Avengers.
At least they made Sentry character interesting towards the end. I am not certain the same can be said about Hope. Which is a shame, because I absolutely enjoyed the entire Messiah trilogy arc.
Originally posted by "Id"
No like when they revealed his so called true origin by his wife.A Junkie high on super serum, completely unfit to wield those massive powers.
Ah, gotcha.
I admit I'm far from a fan of the character or the concept behind him, but really, they did him no favors by convoluting his origins and retroactively forcing him into canon. I don't think I wouldn't have minded him so much if they were focused on what to portray him as character wise and would have naturally introduced him to the Marvel Universe. Fallen Sun was just....ugh.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ah, gotcha.I admit I'm far from a fan of the character or the concept behind him, but really, they did him no favors by convoluting his origins and retroactively forcing him into canon. I don't think I wouldn't have minded him so much if they were focused on what to portray him as character wise and would have naturally introduced him to the Marvel Universe. Fallen Sun was just....ugh.
Personally I think the problem was Marvel came up with a cool superman clone idea, but failed to properly introduce, and mold the character. So they kept phucking with the character, until no one really gave a shit anymore.
Few characters have such a convoluted background, in such a short span of time.
Its not until the Dark Avengers/Siege finally came up with something worth selling (applying yet another retcon). But by then the character was too loathed, to be rescued.
Had they gone with this idea from the get go, the Sentry character would have been received with more favorable criticism.
Just my two cents.
Originally posted by "Id"
I think the problem was Marvel came up with a cool superman clone idea, but failed to properly introduce, and mold the character. So they kept phucking with the character, until no one really gave a shit anymore.Few characters have such a convoluted background, in such a short span of time.
Its not until the Dark Avengers/Siege finally came up with something worth selling (applying yet another retcon). But by then the character was to loathed, to be rescued.
Had they gone with this idea from the get go, the Sentry character would have been received with more favorable criticism.
Just my two cents.
I can agree with that.
Jenkins and Bendis had two wildly different approaches to the character that really couldn't be reconciled.
