Originally posted by janus77They aren't arguing formidability just overall power. I wish you could understand a simple thread premise from time to time.
Surfer still wins this, for me.
Too fast for Strange to defend against his initial attack. No matter how powerful Strange is, if he can't access that power before Surfer turns off his brain, what's the point?After that, Surfer just takes out Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They aren't arguing formidability just overall power. I wish you could understand a simple thread premise from time to time.
As to overall power, it would be unfair to claim Strange had the power of the various demons and entities that he calls upon. He is relatively weak, just knows how to bargain with immensely powerful entities.
So, I'd say Keeper perhaps as the most powerful of the three.
That or, and this is a bit of a cheat to my mind, SurferGod. Back when the LT gave him proper Godhood for a while. Undoubtedly that trumps anything the other two have ever possessed or will ever possess or could ever possess 🙂.
Originally posted by janus77You need to read the op. RK Thor takes this. Just on another level.
I responded to the title, more than to the scenario.As to overall power, it would be unfair to claim Strange had the power of the various demons and entities that he calls upon. He is relatively weak, just knows how to bargain with immensely powerful entities.
So, I'd say Keeper perhaps as the most powerful of the three.
That or, and this is a bit of a cheat to my mind, SurferGod. Back when the LT gave him proper Godhood for a while. Undoubtedly that trumps anything the other two have ever possessed or will ever possess or could ever possess 🙂.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not familiar with this LT amped Surfer.What did Keeper do to make him > Skyfather? RKT is > arguably the highest Skyfather in Marvel.
The LT made Surfer a true God, just because Surfer deserved it (according to LT). I would say that shits upon everything the others could ever do or hope to do. There's just no challenge, if we're talking absolute peaks of power.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd say Odin is somewhere between a Watcher and Galactus with his classic feats definitely rivaling Galactus' better ones. Rune King Thor is a definite step above Odin thanks to the total mastery and knowledge of the Odin Force, Rune Magic, and, of course, Mjolnir.How long did LT amped Surfer last?
As for the placing of Watchers, imo they're still a bit above Odin/RKT. The cosmics might have been downplayed by Pak, but they will get their moment again.
Originally posted by janus77
Been a long while (maybe 5-6yrs) since I read that story, but it was just a single story, no grand arc or anything.As for the placing of Watchers, imo they're still a bit above Odin/RKT. The cosmics might have been downplayed by Pak, but they will get their moment again.
Ah, gotcha.
I'd like some good cosmic stories again. Glad to see Surfer in an ongoing title, but I'm getting sick of the emphasis on street and meta level characters in Marvel.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's outside his own power or birthrite. Keeper would get wrecked by King Thor.
You can arbitrarily set a limit to what upgrades he might be given, but it would be just that, arbitrary.
Unlike Strange or RKT, the power is all within him, his to do with as he pleases, the force is not something that has a sentience separate to him nor is it magics that exist independent of him.
Originally posted by janus77Thor's had the power just under his normal best to make the Surfer's master flee for his life.
The Surfer by definition is outside any "birth rite", he was just a Zen Lavian scientist, he was altered into The Silver Surfer. He has since been altered - at times - to be The Keeper (for an arc), to be GOD (for a story) and to be a skyfather/dimensional god (for the UniLord story)...You can arbitrarily set a limit to what upgrades he might be given, but it would be just that, arbitrary.
Unlike Strange or RKT, the power is all within him, his to do with as he pleases, the force is not something that has a sentience separate to him nor is it magics that exist independent of him.
Rune King Thor is just on a higher plane than the Surfer who is always inferior to Galactus' power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor's had the power just under his normal best to make the Surfer's master flee for his life.Rune King Thor is just on a higher plane than the Surfer who is always inferior to Galactus' power.
Surfer being less powerful than Galactus does not imply that he is less powerful than Odin, nevermind Thor 🙂.