Originally posted by basiliskIncorrect. Reed wasn't mentioned at all and he didn't play a pivotal role in a few infinity sagas, Thanos Imperative, or Infinity Abyss. That's just it Thanos isn't some regular schmuck like Doom or Reed he only shows up when something big happens. Reed's that guy who also failed with aid against Galactus in Galactus the Devourer. He failed despite Galactus being weakened as well.
When the chips are down in an Infinity Something story, Thanos always makes sure makes sure Reed is around just in case, by having some contrived and silly reason for getting earth's heroes involved - "Err... let's get those earth heroes involved again... you know, like that Reed Richards guy.... err.. in case we need like a diversion..."When the chips are down in an FF story, Thanos isn't mentioned or needed.
When Thanos prepped and faced Galactus he was left begging and crying.
When Reed faced Galactus he designed a machine that depowered Galactus into a human and it took him about 10 minutes without prep.
And let's not forget, when Sue got annoyed with Thanos she knocked him out in about 5 seconds. A Council of Reeds comes with a whole bunch of Sues!
Really though, Pym and Amadeus Cho are also both smarter than Thanos these days. Probably Valeria Richards as well.
Reed's that guy who failed against WW Hulk and his grand plan completely and utterly failed.
Thanos is that guy who saves Galactus' ass and all of reality in his own solo series. He's a much bigger fish than Reed will ever be. Thanos is the guy who all the heroes team up with when he's motivated to stop and in the end Thanos still prevails.
Thanos is the best at what he does Reed needs a team to bail him out week in and week out for years now. 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Incorrect. Reed wasn't mentioned at all and he didn't play a pivotal role in a few infinity sagas, Thanos Imperative, or Infinity Abyss. That's just it Thanos isn't some regular schmuck like Doom or Reed he only shows up when something big happens. Reed's that guy who also failed with aid against Galactus in Galactus the Devourer. He failed despite Galactus being weakened as well.Reed's that guy who failed against WW Hulk and his grand plan completely and utterly failed.
Thanos is that guy who saves Galactus' ass and all of reality in his own solo series. He's a much bigger fish than Reed will ever be. Thanos is the guy who all the heroes team up with when he's motivated to stop and in the end Thanos still prevails.
Thanos is the best at what he does Reed needs a team to bail him out week in and week out for years now. 🙂
Remember when the Avengers and Defenders were saving the cosmos from Dormammu, and Thanos didn't even understand what the hell was going on and was just the footsoldier schmuck busy fighting demons? Does that really mean that Avengers/Defenders >> Thanos because they saved the day and Thanos remained utterly clueless as to what happened? It was because it was an Avengers/Defenders story. Thanos just saves the day in his own stories. The fact is Reed just doesn't need Thanos and saves the universe many more times without him.
And Thanos will always be remembered for breaking down and begging in front of Galactus, while Reed just got on with the job and depowered him.
Originally posted by basiliskfacepalmThat is the only response your post deserves.
Remember when the Avengers and Defenders were saving the cosmos from Dormammu, and Thanos didn't even understand what the hell was going on and was just the footsoldier schmuck busy fighting demons? Does that really mean that Avengers/Defenders >> Thanos because they saved the day and Thanos remained utterly clueless as to what happened? It was because it was an Avengers/Defenders story. Thanos just saves the day in his own stories. The fact is Reed just doesn't need Thanos and saves the universe many more times without him.And Thanos will always be remembered for breaking down and begging in front of Galactus, while Reed just got on with the job and depowered him.
Originally posted by basiliskNo, I don't remember any of that at all. Thanos is the centerpiece in nearly all of the stories he's in while Reed is just benefiting from having more appearances ie. more feats.
Remember when the Avengers and Defenders were saving the cosmos from Dormammu, and Thanos didn't even understand what the hell was going on and was just the footsoldier schmuck busy fighting demons? Does that really mean that Avengers/Defenders >> Thanos because they saved the day and Thanos remained utterly clueless as to what happened? It was because it was an Avengers/Defenders story. Thanos just saves the day in his own stories. The fact is Reed just doesn't need Thanos and saves the universe many more times without him.And Thanos will always be remembered for breaking down and begging in front of Galactus, while Reed just got on with the job and depowered him.
Reed has lost to Galactus before and was at his mercy in Galactus the Devourer. Reed was also beaten senseless and held prisoner in WW Hulk. Thanos saved Galactus and the 616 reality from the Hunger.
Thanos just nuked an entire universe that messed with his gal. Get back to me when Reed doesn't embarrass himself by using strobe lights to stop a brick.
Originally posted by basiliskOh this little snippet where other characters were seen holding off the threat wherever they were.
Avengers Defenders war. Come on, you're a Thanos fan!
This isn't the same thing as reed banding together with the others the fight didn't just resurface on his door step. Thanos met the threat in 1973 and wasn't a major player in the story, I didn't just refer to stories where Reed is in them for one panel a mere cameo.
I mean this is getting pretty awful on your part.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengersv1118-part612.jpg
Originally posted by basiliskno most if not all the reeds left their families on relatively bad terms iirc and Valeria is. 😄 at least according to her so I reserve my judgement on that
When the chips are down in an Infinity Something story, Thanos always makes sure makes sure Reed is around just in case, by having some contrived and silly reason for getting earth's heroes involved - "Err... let's get those earth heroes involved again... you know, like that Reed Richards guy.... err.. in case we need like a diversion..."When the chips are down in an FF story, Thanos isn't mentioned or needed.
When Thanos prepped and faced Galactus he was left begging and crying.
When Reed faced Galactus he designed a machine that depowered Galactus into a human and it took him about 10 minutes without prep.
And let's not forget, when Sue got annoyed with Thanos she knocked him out in about 5 seconds. A Council of Reeds comes with a whole bunch of Sues!
Really though, Pym and Amadeus Cho are also both smarter than Thanos these days. Probably Valeria Richards as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh this little snippet where other characters were seen holding off the threat wherever they were.This isn't the same thing as reed banding together with the others the fight didn't just resurface on his door step. Thanos met the threat in 1973 and wasn't a major player in the story, I didn;'t just refer to stories where Reed is in them for one panel.
I mean this is getting pretty awful on your part.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/Avengersv1118-part612.jpg
The same thing happened with Cosmos in Collision. Maelstrom stood in front of Thanos and flat out insulted him, and Thanos didn't know who he was or what even happened - and that was when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. Meanwhile Quasar saved the universe and Thanos never even found out what was happening.
Originally posted by basiliskThanos appeared in what year, 1973 ? Thanos wasn't even a fleshed out character at that point in time. Reed appeared and collaborated with the heroes in Infinity War. The heroes played a part and understood the situation but the major players were Thanos and Warlock.
It is the same thing really, Thanos was a bit character in a bigger story fighting a major threat that he was unaware of. Like the heroes fighting the doppleganger invasion and not knowing what was really going on, while Warlock and Thanos were opposing the Magus. The Infinity stories weren't really about the heroes despite their involvement - they were about Thanos and Warlock.The same thing happened with Cosmos in Collision. Maelstrom stood in front of Thanos and flat out insulted him, and Thanos didn't know who he was or what even happened - and that was when he had the Infinity Gauntlet. Meanwhile Quasar saved the universe and Thanos never even found out what was happening.
Yes, maelstrom was an anomaly. He went on to die. He didn't do a thing to Thanos. Thanos while depowered destroyed the guy who killed him twice in cosmos in collision.
You're trying to make a false distinction and the most hilarious part is the showing took place in 1973 iirc.
Originally posted by quanchi112There's nothing hilarious about 1973. Plenty of good feats from those days.
Thanos appeared in what year, 1973 ? Thanos wasn't even a fleshed out character at that point in time. Reed appeared and collaborated with the heroes in Infinity War. The heroes played a part and understood the situation but the major players were Thanos and Warlock.Yes, maelstrom was an anomaly. He went on to die. He didn't do a thing to Thanos. Thanos while depowered destroyed the guy who killed him twice in cosmos in collision.
You're trying to make a false distinction and the most hilarious part is the showing took place in 1973 iirc.
Like Thanos, Maelstrom kept coming back though. And Thanos killing Quasar is just ABC. Anyway the fact remains Thanos was pretty clueless in Cosmos in Collision, despite having the gauntlet. I mean he really, really seemed not to know what was going on in that sequence.
Originally posted by basiliskThanos wasn't fleshed out as a character in 73 that's the point.
There's nothing hilarious about 1973. Plenty of good feats from those days.Like Thanos, Maelstrom kept coming back though. And Thanos killing Quasar is just ABC. Anyway the fact remains Thanos was pretty clueless in Cosmos in Collision, despite having the gauntlet. I mean he really, really seemed not to know what was going on in that sequence.
Maelstrom left. Thanos stood his ground. Thanos defeated Eternity while Maelstrom was defeated by the avatar of Infinity.
He wasn't sure because he was the anomaly. Thanos prevailed over his opposition Maelstrom managed to die twice. Thanos' arc encompassed the majority of marvel while Maelstrom was just a Quasar threat early on. Laughs.
Originally posted by quanchi112That's just a bunch more meaningless ABC. And Thanos didn't so much as stand his ground as not even understand what happened. Also, Maelstrom was a threat to the whole universe, it was just that Quasar stopped him.
Thanos wasn't fleshed out as a character in 73 that's the point.Maelstrom left. Thanos stood his ground. Thanos defeated Eternity while Maelstrom was defeated by the avatar of Infinity.
He wasn't sure because he was the anomaly. Thanos prevailed over his opposition Maelstrom managed to die twice. Thanos' arc encompassed the majority of marvel while Maelstrom was just a Quasar threat early on. Laughs.
Anyway, I still think the Council wins. A single Reed is dangerous enough. The Council is just too much. It's almost spite with all the stuff they had.
Originally posted by basiliskOne hero stopped him and he was a threat the universe for the most part wasn't aware of. Thanos dealt with pretty much everyone and came out on top.
That's just a bunch more meaningless ABC. And Thanos didn't so much as stand his ground as not even understand what happened. Also, Maelstrom was a threat to the whole universe, it was just that Quasar stopped him.Anyway, I still think the Council wins. A single Reed is dangerous enough. The Council is just too much. It's almost spite with all the stuff they had.
Thanos is beyond any Reed.
