Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You can't conciously control an erection. You'rr either stimulated or you're not.
I dunno, man...once you're past puberty you can do a pretty good job of consciously controlling when you get erections and when you don't. There seems to be a large set of eastern practices dedicated to consciously controlling your sexuality, too.
Have you all forgotten that it is possible for any man's penis to be forced into a state of erection with a rubber band unless he has a serious medical condition?
That could be achieved even by Annie in Misery even if she appeared more realistic (ie with 100 lbs added and perhaps some teeth removed).
Originally posted by Bigon
Have you all forgotten that it is possible for any man's penis to be forced into a state of erection with a rubber band unless he has a serious medical condition?That could be achieved even by Annie in Misery even if she appeared more realistic (ie with 100 lbs added and perhaps some teeth removed).
That's artificial then, like the viagra example and would be rape.
And in cases of perpetrators beating up their victim in order to make them comply, it is NOT necessary for victims of deviant men to prove that they put up maximum possible resistance, so it should not be necessary for victims of deviant women to prove that either, if they were beaten up to some extent in order to make them comply.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Why is forcing a woman to get an abortion considered to be a no-no under any circumstance, out of curiosity?
I'm curious about that too, I know abortion is a tricky subject at the best of times but I feel the woman's side is given more credence than the man's. The argument 'you can't tell her what to do, it's her body' loses it's moral reasoning if she's used a rape scenario to get sperm from a man's body - I think men should have a say because it's the man's sperm that she stole. I feel the same way when there is clear deceit in a relationship situation also.
Just because the man may not have to pay for the child and not have to raise it doesn't factor in the emotional baggage or blackmail that may arise if the woman escapes prosecution. It's the same reason why some men do not want to donate sperm because they don't want that 'knock on the door' from a child they have no emotional connection with.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I'm curious about that too, I know abortion is a tricky subject at the best of times but I feel the woman's side is given more credence than the man's. The argument 'you can't tell her what to do, it's her body' loses it's moral reasoning if she's used a rape scenario to get sperm from a man's body - I think men should have a say because it's the man's sperm that she stole. I feel the same way when there is clear deceit in a relationship situation also.Just because the man may not have to pay for the child and not have to raise it doesn't factor in the emotional baggage or blackmail that may arise if the woman escapes prosecution. It's the same reason why some men do not want to donate sperm because they don't want that 'knock on the door' from a child they have no emotional connection with.
That seems pretty cold. So because the father doesn't want to be bothered by an annoying kid knocking on his door later in life that child has no right to life?
And what about the woman? Sure, she's a criminal, but that doesn't mean we can drag her into an operating room, strap her to a table, and perform operations on her. AT the very least, it would have to be done for a MUCH better reason than "I don't want some kid bothering me later in life".
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I'm curious about that too, I know abortion is a tricky subject at the best of times but I feel the woman's side is given more credence than the man's.
Generally when you propose performing medical procedures on a person you give them more credence than others.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
The argument 'you can't tell her what to do, it's her body' loses it's moral reasoning if she's used a rape scenario to get sperm from a man's body - I think men should have a say because it's the man's sperm that she stole.
I don't see how it makes a practical difference. She's a rapist and should be punished for that, in anything beyond that she should be treated like anyone else.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Just because the man may not have to pay for the child and not have to raise it doesn't factor in the emotional baggage or blackmail that may arise if the woman escapes prosecution. It's the same reason why some men do not want to donate sperm because they don't want that 'knock on the door' from a child they have no emotional connection with.
That strikes me as an extremely dangerous precedent. You seem to be proposing that if a man changes his mind and decides he doesn't want kids he should have the option to force someone using his sperm to have an abortion.