Originally posted by carver9
Some of these people never punched that fast or done half of the things Ken has done with his speed.
Wait who on that list couldn't throw 100 punches in a second? No reason Flash or Zoom couldn't. No reason Superman couldn't. Hell no reason even WW couldn't, she's a decent fraction of lightspeed.
Originally posted by Surtur
Wait who on that list couldn't throw 100 punches in a second? No reason Flash or Zoom couldn't. No reason Superman couldn't. Hell no reason even WW couldn't, she's a decent fraction of lightspeed.
He was probably referring to the likes of Luke Cage.
I don't remember much in the way of speed for him except some bullet timing.
Also, Kenshiro has a lot more than a hundred hits per second. He goes past that, and hits thousands of hits per second. Then weaker characters in part two of the series are able to punch ten-thousand times per second. You would probably get something hypersonic out of that.
Originally posted by Sharivan
Agreed.Here is my reasoning:
Daniel Rand is faster than lightning. In terms of short range speed at any rate.
He is able to limbo dodge, and do three back-flips in the time-frame of a microsecond. Do keep mind moving only a foot within a microsecond is eight hundred times the speed of sound.
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That's a gross misinterpretation of what is happening on panel.
Danny has several seconds to spot his attacker while on the phone.
He spotted the shooter literally during 3 panels before being shot and "the microsecond he needs to react" is nothing but some hyperbolic statement to show that Danny has fast reflexes.
The duration of the second isn't during one microsecond neither, or according to your logic , the bullets just need a microsecond to travel a few meters, or the people just needs the same duration to goes down on the floor...
Not, that's not the case.
Danny doesn't move at thousands of times the speed of sound like you are falsely and ludicrously trying to make us believe...
Danny has better reflexes than an untrained human being but he is far to be in the superhuman range when it comes to the speed...
You are making-up things like he is Quicksilver.
That gave me giggles.
Danny just aim-dodged the first time and used acrobatics to be hard to tag in the second page...
In this same issue the narrator shows that he is aware the significance of what was stated earlier. He even outright says Danny has faster than lightning reactions.
That's another hyperbolic statement...
If Danny was so fast he could have grabbed the knife or simply moved out of the way.
Maybe you will try to make us believe that the knife is faster than lightning then ?
Please try. 🙂
Other instances that confirm this are when Danny dodges Eel's electricity. As well as when he dodges Fat Cobra's lightning.Power Man & Iron Fist #92
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The Immortal Iron Fist #9
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Danny is simply aim-dodging in both case, anticipating the path of the attacks and moving out of the way...
And the second time he is touched by the area of effect...
As for other speed feats there are instances of him blocking dozens of flechettes.Power Man & Iron Fist # 50
He slapped several flechettes...
Not only that's just aim-blocking but that's completely irrelevant to a combat situation against Kenshiro...
Then he catches a bullet here after Brenda tries to kill herself. Do keep in mind since the gun was right next to her head? That means the timeframe he had to cross the distance had to be incredibly tiny.Iron Fist: The Living Weapon #12
He has several seconds to [B]act[/]...
Any street-leveler in the Marvel Universe can do the same but that's a good durability feat for his hand.
As for the strength of his punches he has taken down helicarriers.
New Avengers #59
He craked the hull and that probably damaged the navigation system so the hellcarrier crashed...
This isn't bad but considering that the punches of young Raoh destroys buildings 300 meters away without trying and that Raoh was far more powerful during HNK... And Kenshiro was able to tank his attacks and keep fighting.
As well as having destroyed Zhu-Rong the God of Fire in a single punch. After he got his chi back from the One. Zhu-Rong was powerful enough that his energy covered part of the planet, and could be seen from outer space.Iron Fist: The Living Weapon #11
There is no durability feats of Zu Rhong besides being kicked by a giant building... The things that breaks on Kenshiro's chin at the very beginning of the anime...
The kind of stuff that a young Raoh destroys from 300 meters away with a casual punch through a guy...
Danny's Iron Fist has been compared to a hydrogen bomb in the past. This before Orson Randall or the Book of the Iron Fist.Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #20
That's not the Iron Fist which is compared to an H-bomb but this hyperbolic statement is here to show the devastation that Danny is feeling when he is looking at the results of all his fights in this place...
What now ?
You will pretend that Danny can erase a city with a punch ?
On top of being being able to break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, and punch so hard that he destroys the fabric of reality. It's also compared to a baby nuke.Iron Fist v1 #7
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For the other part, Danny smashed the Dimensionnal Portal which created a rift in reality...
That's not Danny's punches which created a rift in reality, that's the destruction of the portal.
You are literally twisting the feats in every ways to give them more weight than they have.
Worse, you are completely misunderstanding the context.
In terms of durability when Danny punched a train filled with enough explosives to make Hiroshima look like a sparkler, and wipe Kun-Lun off the map? He got out of it with nary a scratch.The Immortal Iron Fist #14
That's clearly an hyperbolic statement for several reasons:
1) The radius of the explosion is very small and nothing is shown to be destroyed besides the train.
2) People a few hundred meters from the explosion are completely unharmed.
3) Nothing indicates that Danny was caught in the explosion... In fact as the electromagnetic energies propelled Danny through the hull of the train like a bullet, it's more than obvious that Danny have been trough the train and avoided to be caught in the explosion.
4) This only shows that the Iron Fist is more durable than the hull of the train.
He is able to absorb both conventional and non-conventional energies. As seen when he absorbed Radion's radiation, and Master Khan's spells.Iron Fist v1 #3 & 4
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Out-of-context again...
Everyone absorbs radiations... That's why people working on Chernobyl became radioactive and died of it...
Danny is an athlete and become a peak human when he is channeling his Chi, making him as durable as Captain America when it comes to shrugg off damages...
The Chi probably shielded him in a certain way against Master Khan's spells but...
That's totally irrelevant to a combat situation against Kenshiro.
His chi was able to mesmerize the Hulk, and transform him back into Bruce Banner. That before he learned the hypnotic fist style from Orson Randall. The best part is that Danny did it without even trying. Just so people know the Hulk has explicit resistance to mind control and hypnosis.Marvel Team-Up #105
Hulk's intelligence is very low and the "shiny hands" calmed him down...
In "Indestructible Hulk", the SHIELD shows him picture of puppies in order to calm him down so...
What's the relevancy of this ?
There is none.
Danny's chi is able to work on spirits and demons.Shadowland #5
Another feat that you are using completely out-of-context...
Danny used his Chi to heal Daredevil and not to attack the Demon at all...
The point is that by healing Daredevil, he allowed him to recover some force of will and fight the possession.
That's completely irrelevant to a combat situation.
He can use his chi on his own spirit in order to come back from the afterlife as a ghost, and beat on someone after death.Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #24
Here is another stuff that you are completely missing the point.
Dasha Khan changed Danny's physical form into a Ghost form thanks to the Soul Gem so Danny wasn't killed in the first place.
Danny precised that he used his Chi to break the gap between the Dimension so it's very possible that he was put in the Astral Plane forced to remain in an Astral Form...
Nothing in what you said put Danny even close to the superhuman basic stats of Kenshiro not making use of his powers.
Kenshiro would crush Iron Fist without trying on a single touch.
King Rao casually busted a giant coated with solid steel without touching him. This was less than 1/100th of his strength. Yet Kenshiro endured and matched his full might.
On average a 2000 ton punch is going to damage Herc and Savage Hulk. Otherwise beings like Thing or Colossus shouldn't make then flinch (since their strength is far under 2000 tons).
Originally posted by Sharivan
He was probably referring to the likes of Luke Cage.I don't remember much in the way of speed for him except some bullet timing.
Also, Kenshiro has a lot more than a hundred hits per second. He goes past that, and hits thousands of hits per second. Then weaker characters in part two of the series are able to punch ten-thousand times per second. You would probably get something hypersonic out of that.
Hyoh is one of the strongest character in the series...
He used a technique called "Manju Maon Ken" and Kenshiro can use it too.
For the rest you are literally making things up...
But it is clear that Kenshiro is completely in another level than Iron Fist.
Originally posted by h1a8
King Rao casually busted a giant coated with solid steel without touching him. This was less than 1/100th of his strength. Yet Kenshiro endured and matched his full might.On average a 2000 ton punch is going to damage Herc and Savage Hulk. Otherwise beings like Thing or Colossus shouldn't make then flinch (since their strength is far under 2000 tons).
He killed him with a Goshoha.
For the other part I don't get where you got this idea...
Originally posted by RealityWarper
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Microsecond is not hyperbolic. It is a time-frame that actually exists, and the narration is specific that he did all of this during this time-frame.
Danny did not aim-dodge anything. What happened was that he sensed danger, and then he reacted afterwards within a microsecond. Which the narration specifies in its very next words. That's where you get this speed. The time-frame, and the distance.
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We do not see anyone else moving during this time-frame. It doesn't matter how fast the bullets are moving. What matters is how fast Danny is moving.
Which is thousands of times the speed of sound here.
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Yes, that is in fact the case.
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He does as I have proven several times.
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Danny is explicitly superhuman when it comes to speed.
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At this point Quicksliver can outrun radio waves which means that he is FTL. Daniel Rand isn't that fast.
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What gave me giggles is how you tried to set up the Sentry as stronger than Molecule Man. When the latter was far weaker than normal, and the only evidence you had was outside of the story itself. Which contradicted everything in it.
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Which all happened specifically in the time-frame of a microsecond. Which would make this ridiculously fast.
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Yeah, sure. Why not? If this knife was thrown fast enough that it nearly pierced Danny's heart. In the same issue where Danny limbo dodges and does three back-flips in a microsecond?
That gives the guy threw that knife a great showing as well. It's not like this is strange either. We have people like Black Panther moving within microseconds too.
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How about you prove that? As it's never stated that he did it those times by aim-dodging.
And the second time he is touched by the area of effect...
The point is that Danny dodges the actual bolt of lightning itself.
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That's not aim-blocking either. How in the world can Danny aim-block several different flechettes at once? He even explicitly creates after-images when he does this.
The only way this works is if you try to argue that Danny has precognition, and knew specifically where they all would have went. Which he doesn't have.
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No, Danny didn't. You see the gun go off, then Danny's surprised look, and then he reacts. That is the specific order in which the panels happen.
He crossed several feet before that bullets could even move a few inches, and caught it before it could hit Brenda.
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You're literally making up numbers with no references for them, and if you seriously think a building is harder to break than a freaking helicarrier you're a lost cause.
Also, not only that you're using speculation that is not proven by anything when you say it fell because the navigation system was destroyed. That's another thing you are making up.
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That would be the animated film you're thinking of, and the point of that was Danny was able to destroy something made out of fire. More importantly that he could overpower Zhu-Rong.
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That's not impressive at all by Danny's standards.
Danny was hitting harder than nukes back before he got Orson Randall's chi and the Book of the Iron Fist.
That's not the Iron Fist which is compared to an H-bomb but this hyperbolic statement is here to show the devastation that Danny is feeling when he is looking at the results of all his fights in this place...
Uh no? Danny specifically uses his Iron Fist in the very first scan there, and everything after that shows the devastation that it caused.
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I don't need to pretend. I already showed you evidence that proves that he is in fact this powerful.
You totally skipped the part where Master Khan told to Danny that he will offer Yu-Ti so he can have his vengeance...
You're missing the part where Danny never accepted this offer or that Master Khan never broke the spell. Danny explicitly uses chi when he breaks out of them, and we see his hands glowing.
Thus removing the Bands of Cyttorak when Danny accepted his request...
Danny never accepted this request. He was so angry that his uncle had a part in his parents death that he broke out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, and destroyed the dimensional portal. Which caused a rift in the fabric of reality.
That's not Danny's punches which created a rift in reality, that's the destruction of the portal.
Which requires Danny being actually capable of destroying the fabric of reality. As there is no other way for him to destroy a portal between several different points in space otherwise.
The fabric in reality was ripped apart specifically because it was Danny who punched that dimensional portal and disrupted it, and anything else would have simply went through it.
You are literally twisting the feats in every ways to give them more weight than they have.
Nope, that would be you. You're the one undermining them by making up nonsense that doesn't actually happen in the stories themselves.
Worse, you are completely misunderstanding the context.
Nope, this is you once again. As see when you tried to say Danny accepted his offer when he specifically didn't.
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This is because both Danny and the train are in the sky when this happen, and Danny launched himself towards it by manipulating electromagnetic energy.
There is nothing close enough to them to be destroyed to begin with.
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Prove that these people are only a few hundred meters away. As both Danny and the train are in the sky when this happens.
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What kind of mental gymnastics is this?
Prove this because what we see shows that the moment Danny punches the train it explodes. There is nothing suggesting that Danny went through it before it exploded. This is another thing you're making up.
Seriously, it's not noted by the narration or seen in the scans.
There is nothing implying your interpretation is correct.
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Nope, as I already noted you're using speculation supported by nothing.
Danny does not go through the train before it explodes.
Out-of-context again...
No, it is not. In fact the only part I left out was where it was noted that Radion was a nuke waiting to happen.
That's why people working on Chernobyl became radioactive and died of it...
That's my point? Danny absorbs far more radiation than they did, and he was fine afterwards.
Also, it's not the same. As noted in the very same instance where he absorbs Master Khan's spells, and Radion is brought up again by the context as comparison for what was happening then.
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Only if you ignore everything that Danny has done, and rely entirely on databooks which are notoriously wrong. Also, it's against the rules to even use them here. So, there's that too.
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More speculation that contradicts what is actually stated to happen in that very scan. He absorbs it just as he did Radion's attacks.
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No, it isn't. Kenshiro relies on touki. Which is a mystical life energy. Which Danny can absorb pretty easily if need be.
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Danny's chi was specifically making the Hulk feel unusual for no reason, and he transformed back. This before Danny learned the hypnotic fist style.
Kenshiro has only one showing against hypnosis, and it's of the normal variety not the "powered by mystical chi" variety.
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The damage in question wasn't physical. Danny healed Matt's soul, and gave him the strength he needed to fight against a demon powerful enough to defeat Ghost Rider.
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The point I was making was that Danny could heal Matt's soul, and give it the strength it needed to fight back against a powerful demon.
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No, it isn't.
It shows that Danny's chi can work against intangibles. Which means Musou Tensei is not saving Kenshiro here.
Dasha Khan changed Danny's physical form into a Ghost form thanks to the Soul Gem so Danny wasn't killed in the first place.
It's basically the same thing? He was turned into a ghost, and he came back from the afterlife. Which means he can do the same thing if he actually dies unless you get rid of his spirit.
How is that hard to comprehend?
Besides that, it shows that he can transform back from it. Which means he can probably bring himself to life too.
That on top of the fact Danny can probably give Kenshiro a physical form with his chi if the latter uses Musou Tensei.
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When it was the soul gem that was being used? Are you serious? It's obviously his spirit in the case, and he is referring to this as the afterlife. It's not referred to as the astral plane at any point.
It's noted that he gave his spirit substance with his chi too. As he is kicking ass? You should read the rest of the scans.
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No, it's actually the opposite. Kenshiro is outclassed here.
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So now you're using databooks?
Okay then, it's your funeral.
Translated from the 1986 magazine Hokuto no Ken Special: All About the Man.
Leg Speed = Can move 100m in 9 seconds in steps
Fist Speed = Throws 50 punches in three seconds while performing the Hundred Crack Fist
How about that? A databook portraying a character as far weaker than they actually are. Who would have thought.
Originally posted by Sharivan
Microsecond is not hyperbolic. It is a time-frame that actually exists, and the narration is specific that he did all of this during this time-frame.
That's not "all that he did" during that time frame...
The writers want to indicates that he perceveid an attack coming and had the reflex to aim-dodge very fast.
He didn't do all of those actions during one microsecond... My God you really should ask someone with actual reading skills to read it for you.
[B]By your logic the soldier does the two shots in this timeframe too so the bullets travel easily 10 meters twice in a microseconds...
That would make the bullets of the AK-47 traveling at:
(10 / 0.000001) * 2 = 20 000 000 m/s = 72000000 km/h
That would make the bullets moving at 72 000 000 km/h so what is your explanation this time ?
The shooter was using a magical AK-47 or it's your reasoning which is completely silly ?
Did the shooter shoot two times at Danny in the span of a microsecond too, according to your logic ?
Did the two people crouching in the second panel crounched in a microsecond too so everybody has superspeed in the Marvel Universe ?
Do you see now your lack of logic and your double standard ????
So there is only one logical explanation:
Danny spotted the shooter and aim-dodged the bullets the first time and used his acrobatics the second to be harder to tag.
The "microsecond" he needed to react is just some colorful way to say that he reacted fast and not to be taken literally.
Danny did not aim-dodge anything. What happened was that he sensed danger, and then he reacted afterwards within a microsecond. Which the narration specifies in its very next words. That's where you get this speed. The time-frame, and the distance.
Stop making up things.
We clearly see the image of the shooter several seconds before he attemps to shoot down Danny in his retina.
We do not see anyone else moving during this time-frame. It doesn't matter how fast the bullets are moving. What matters is how fast Danny is moving.
Two people crounched during the two burst of the machine-gun fire which ACCORDING TO YOU happened in the span of a microsecond, so ACCORDING TO YOU they crounched during the timespan of the half of a microsecond...
So does the shooter and those people have superspeed too ?
No, they haven't.
The only logical explanation is that it's a classical shooting scene and Danny aim-dodged the first time and used acrobatics to be harder to shoot in the second panel which both happened at normal speed.
You are literally twisting irrelevant feats to make Danny appear better than he is.
That's ludicrous.
Which is thousands of times the speed of sound here.
Which is Sharivan not understanding what he is reading.
Nothing is what you claimed to be.
Yes, that is in fact the case.He does as I have proven several times.
Danny is explicitly superhuman when it comes to speed.
At this point you are literally skipping my comments so we can't see the silliness of your claims.
That's fine because I just proved that you have zero reading skills and that your claims are asinine.
You don't even have the correction to face my claims in your own answers...
At this point Quicksliver can outrun radio waves which means that he is FTL. Daniel Rand isn't that fast.
*sigh*
Danny doesn't move at thousand of times the speed of sound.
What gave me giggles is how you tried to set up the Sentry as stronger than Molecule Man.
Which is the case, confirmed by the creator of the character and confirmed by Bendis whom wrote the story.
When the latter was far weaker than normal, and the only evidence you had was outside of the story itself. Which contradicted everything in it.
Wrong.
I showed that Molecule Man had no negative beliefs on his abilities during that story which means that he was at full power.
Tom Brevoort, whom edited the story, confirmed that Molecule Man was at his regular power-level which means not weakened or depowered.
Nice try bub, come back when you have something substantial instead of fan-made conclusion about everything.
Which all happened specifically in the time-frame of a microsecond. Which would make this ridiculously fast.
Which would make EVERYTHING ridiculously fast, which didn't happened in the time-frame of a microsecond so it doesn't matter at all.
Yeah, sure. Why not? If this knife was thrown fast enough that it nearly pierced Danny's heart. In the same issue where Danny limbo dodges and does three back-flips in a microsecond?
Oh my god...
Everything you are trying to bring to the table is completely asinine and made-up...
Fact is:
Danny is too slow to grab or avoid a knife throwed from a few meters of him.
That gives the guy threw that knife a great showing as well. It's not like this is strange either. We have people like Black Panther moving within microseconds too.
No.
Your interpretation of the story is just complete bullshit because you don't understand what you are reading.
How about you prove that? As it's never stated that he did it those times by aim-dodging.
It's shown on panel that he is aim-dodging.
He saw the shooter coming at him.
The point is that Danny dodges the actual bolt of lightning itself.
Aim-dodging.
Danny got rekt by the AOE.
That's not aim-blocking either. How in the world can Danny aim-block several different flechettes at once? He even explicitly creates after-images when he does this.
*sigh*
All flechettes follow the same pattern...
Danny just have to put his hands in the path.
That's clearly an aim-blocking feat.
The only way this works is if you try to argue that Danny has precognition, and knew specifically where they all would have went. Which he doesn't have.
No.
That's aim-blocking.
No, Danny didn't. You see the gun go off, then Danny's surprised look, and then he reacts. That is the specific order in which the panels happen.He crossed several feet before that bullets could even move a few inches, and caught it before it could hit Brenda.
When you are actually "trying" to respond to my claim please have AT LEAST the correction to post the quotes you are responding too.
Not only your obvious illiteracy burns my eyes but as a bonus you make the topic extremely not convenient to answer to.
I keep my claims the way they are and you should take reading lessons, at this point it became an emergency.
You're literally making up numbers with no references for them, and if you seriously think a building is harder to break than a freaking helicarrier you're a lost cause.
Danny didn't break the Hellcarrier, he damaged the hull which caused navigation problems with lead the hellcarrier to sunk.
Anyway he isn't even close to hit as hard as Kenshiro or Raoh.
Also, not only that you're using speculation that is not proven by anything when you say it fell because the navigation system was destroyed. That's another thing you are making up.
The Hellcarrier had MINOR damages.
It's clearly shown on panel that he is sinking even he isn't that damaged so the only explanation is that his electronics are damaged so he can't fly anymore.
That would be the animated film you're thinking of, and the point of that was Danny was able to destroy something made out of fire. More importantly that he could overpower Zhu-Rong.
I didn't see the film so no...
And Zhu-Rong is a building-sized giant engulfed in flames.
When he is dead you can see his giant cadaver on the ground and Danny coming out from his inside but I guess that you didn't read the story and took your "feats" from a respect thread which explains why you don't understand anything of all the bullshit you are making-up.
That's not impressive at all by Danny's standards.
Do you mean that "-snip-" isn't impressive at all by Danny's standards ?
I would like to see the quotes you are responding to because skiping them is a so convenient way to make your claims impossible to answer to...
Oh wait... You don't even understand the context of your own asinine claims so why bothering and make an actual answer, right ?
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That's not impressive at all by Danny's standards.
Do you mean that "-snip-" isn't impressive at all by Danny's standards ?
I would like to see the quotes you are responding to because skiping them is a so convenient way to make your claims impossible to answer to...
Oh wait... You don't even understand the context of your own asinine claims so why bothering and make an actual answer, right ?
Danny was hitting harder than nukes back before he got Orson Randall's chi and the Book of the Iron Fist.
No.
Danny don't have the capacity to make more damages than a nuke with his punches.
Take off your fanboy glasses for one second.
That's how silly your claims have become now.
Uh no? Danny specifically uses his Iron Fist in the very first scan there, and everything after that shows the devastation that it caused.
Hyperbolic statement and that's not what you said.
I don't need to pretend. I already showed you evidence that proves that he is in fact this powerful.
I would like to read the actual quote you are responding at instead of "-snip-".
You're missing the part where Danny never accepted this offer or that Master Khan never broke the spell. Danny explicitly uses chi when he breaks out of them, and we see his hands glowing.
*sigh*
Master Khan restrained Danny until he accepted the deal to go against Yu-Ti instead of him...
There you have the proper context.
Master Khan had no need to restrain Danny anymore because Danny directly goes against Yu-Ti after that.
Danny never accepted this request. He was so angry that his uncle had a part in his parents death that he broke out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak,
I just proved the opposite.
MK and Danny came to an agreement thus making the Crimson Bands useless to maintain for MK.
and destroyed the dimensional portal. Which caused a rift in the fabric of reality.
I'm glad that we agree that Danny destroyed a portal.
It's good that you concede that's the destruction of the portal which created a rift in reality and not Danny's punches.
Which requires Danny being actually capable of destroying the fabric of reality.
Wrong.
Which requires Danny being able to destroy the Dimensionnal Gate.
As there is no other way for him to destroy a portal between several different points in space otherwise.
More made-up crap please.
The fabric in reality was ripped apart specifically because it was Danny who punched that dimensional portal and disrupted it, and anything else would have simply went through it.
A bomb could have destroyed the portal and obtain the same effect.
Danny isn't responsible of the rift in reality.
*sigh*
At that point I'm just begging you to take reading lessons.
Nope, that would be you. You're the one undermining them by making up nonsense that doesn't actually happen in the stories themselves.
Yeah sure.
We saw that all along with "derp derp Danny moves thousands of times the speed of sound and derp derp Danny's punches can destroy the fabric of reality" regardless to the context.
Nope, this is you once again. As see when you tried to say Danny accepted his offer when he specifically didn't.
I'm not responding to that again.
This is because both Danny and the train are in the sky when this happen, and Danny launched himself towards it by manipulating electromagnetic energy.
*sigh*
You are making-up complete bullshit once again...
Danny and his teamates were all at the same distance from the train AKA a few hundred meters away.
Danny himself states that it was great to fight alongside them...
Here you can see that they ALL are very close of the train:
So Danny and the train weren't in the sky at all, the explosion of the train isn't even close to be as powerful as Hiroshima and Danny wasn't caught in the explosion because he gone through the train like a bullet...
There is nothing close enough to them to be destroyed to begin with.
I easily proved you wrong once again.
Prove that these people are only a few hundred meters away. As both Danny and the train are in the sky when this happens.
Already done.
What kind of mental gymnastics is this?
What kind of dissimulated quote is this ? "-snip-"
Prove this because what we see shows that the moment Danny punches the train it explodes. There is nothing suggesting that Danny went through it before it exploded. This is another thing you're making up.
At this point I'm just reading the comic books for you.
Why don't you ask another adult to read it for you and give you explanation ?
It tires me at this point...
I mean I'm not even payed to teach you how to read a comics...
Seriously, it's not noted by the narration or seen in the scans.
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There is nothing implying your interpretation is correct.
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Why bothering giving more answers when:
1) My quotes aren't visible.
2) You are illiterate.
3) I'm wasting my time because even with the full context you don't understand what you are reading and you will spit your trash in every thread.
Nope, as I already noted you're using speculation supported by nothing.Danny does not go through the train before it explodes.
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I already explained all of that.
No, it is not. In fact the only part I left out was where it was noted that Radion was a nuke waiting to happen.
Radion produces radiations which poison living organism.
He never "exploded like a nuke" in the story.
That's my point? Danny absorbs far more radiation than they did, and he was fine afterwards.
He was so fine...
First fight before he find a way to heal:
Second fight before the end:
In both case he was badly hurt and could have died both times.
Also, it's not the same. As noted in the very same instance where he absorbs Master Khan's spells, and Radion is brought up again by the context as comparison for what was happening then.
He isn't close to die against Master Khan.
He is against Radion.
Only if you ignore everything that Danny has done, and rely entirely on databooks which are notoriously wrong. Also, it's against the rules to even use them here. So, there's that too.
The Databooks are correct.
That's your interpretations that are incorrect.
It's not against the rules when it support what is actually happening on panel which is the case in here.
More speculation that contradicts what is actually stated to happen in that very scan. He absorbs it just as he did Radion's attacks.
I'm factual.
You are the one speculating AKA all of your silly claims since the beginning of that thread.
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No, it isn't. Kenshiro relies on touki. Which is a mystical life energy. Which Danny can absorb pretty easily if need be.
Danny can't absorb Ki-blast.
Proof on panel:
He lies on the ground after a weak Ki-blast...
The weakest Ki-blast of a young Raoh destroys entire buildings...
I would like that you show us how Danny is susceptible to survive to that when one of the weakest of Raoh's punch is actually light years beyond anything that Davos has done...
Oh wait he can't and a Goshoha will erase Danny from existence...
Danny's chi was specifically making the Hulk feel unusual for no reason
*sigh*
The reason is explained on panel.
The Hulk found the hands of Danny "shiny" and that calmed him down.
At this point, everybody could have used anything that Hulk could have find "shiny" to calm him down.
But hey let's make it like "derp derp Danny Rand uses hybnodigz magigz handz and force Hulgz transformation"... That's complete bullshit.
Same shit here:
, and he transformed back.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
This before Danny learned the hypnotic fist style.
There is no correlation between both.
Danny didn't use a technique, he was just lucky that Hulk was calmed down isntead of smashing him to pulp.
Kenshiro has only one showing against hypnosis, and it's of the normal variety not the "powered by mystical chi" variety.
He has two showings against it currently...
Moreover Danny never used it in combat...
He used it against a random fatso...
Kenshiro can copy and counter techniques, fight with his eyes closed, etc...
Once more you are trying to sell one of your irrelevancies.
The damage in question wasn't physical. Danny healed Matt's soul, and gave him the strength he needed to fight against a demon powerful enough to defeat Ghost Rider.
Oh my God... You are reaching...
Daredevil regained some willpower allowing him to fight the possesion again.
End of story.
The point I was making was that Danny could heal Matt's soul, and give it the strength it needed to fight back against a powerful demon.
Yep.
You are trying to hard, really.
No, it isn't.
-snip-
It shows that Danny's chi can work against intangibles. Which means Musou Tensei is not saving Kenshiro here.
The stupidity of that claim is beyond belief...
1) Danny hit Daredevil possessed by a Demon so he hit a physical body, the one's of Daredevil.
2) The attack didn't harm the Demon and as Danny understood that he couldn't reach the Demon's soul by attacking with the Iron Fist he decided to try to heal Daredevil instead.
3) Kenshiro's Muso Tensei doesn't "make him intangible like a Ghost"... It makes him "one with nothingness" so no attacks can reach him...
Kenshiro has been through Raoh's Goshoha (Ki-blast) and Raoh's punches amped by his own Ki.
Danny can't touch Kenshiro in Muso Tensei...
Stop twisting everything to favor your favorite character omfg...
The only way any character in this thread to touch Kenshiro using the Muso Tensei would be to be capable to use Muso Tensei themselves which will not happen.
4) Your bullshiting meter is over 9000. I've never seen anyone saying so much crap about Iron Fist or Kenshiro on the internet.
At this point you should really think about taking reading lessons, seriously.
5) Nothing is saving Danny here. The most probable outcome is Kenshiro taking a nap between two of Danny's attacks, casually touching his forehead and making him "asplode".
It's basically the same thing? He was turned into a ghost, and he came back from the afterlife. Which means he can do the same thing if he actually dies unless you get rid of his spirit.
No.
It's not the same thing.
So when Dr Strange or Charles Xavier uses their Astral Form they are dead ACCORDING TO YOU...
How is that hard to comprehend?
Yeah.
Everything is too hard for you to comprehend.
Besides that, it shows that he can transform back from it. Which means he can probably bring himself to life too.
Yeah complete bullshit once again.
Show me where it is stated that Iron Fist is immortal...
Oh wait he isn't ! 😄
That on top of the fact Danny can probably give Kenshiro a physical form with his chi if the latter uses Musou Tensei.
That's complete crap once again.
Read the points 1 to 5 I explained above.
The purpose of the Muso Tensei is to avoid being touch by everything.
Danny will not have a free pass about it.
Rofl.
Kenshiro literally gone through Raoh's Ki-Aura in Muso Tensei...
When it was the soul gem that was being used? Are you serious? It's obviously his spirit in the case, and he is referring to this as the afterlife. It's not referred to as the astral plane at any point.
If you have read the story instead of picking your scans out-of-context from respect threads you should know.
It's noted that he gave his spirit substance with his chi too. As he is kicking ass? You should read the rest of the scans.
You should learn to read and then read the comics.
No, it's actually the opposite. Kenshiro is outclassed here.
Yeah sure.
Kenshiro eat weaklings like Danny for breakfast.
So now you're using databooks?
Databooks are official sources of information coming directly from Marvel.
Okay then, it's your funeral.
I'm feeling well but thanks.
Translated from the 1986 magazine Hokuto no Ken Special: All About the Man.
I own all of HNK's databooks but thanks.
Leg Speed = Can move 100m in 9 seconds in steps
Fist Speed = Throws 50 punches in three seconds while performing the Hundred Crack Fist
That's his fist speed in the case of one particular technique ?
Is that supposed to prove anything ?
The fun part is that Danny Rand is incapable to do anything on that order...
Kenshiro's attack speed is light years beyond anything Danny has shown and I'm not even showing the fights against Rei, Souther, Alf, Han or Hyoh...
How about that? A databook portraying a character as far weaker than they actually are. Who would have thought.
You only show a part of the databook and the information here is about Kenshiro's BASIC PHYSICAL STATS without using techniques to amp himself like the Tenryu Kyokuho...
On the other ALL of the databooks in Marvel shows that Iron Fist summoning his Chi is peak human wihch is far below the scope of what Kenshiro has shown.
Danny's combat speed:
Kenshiro's combat speed:
Kenshiro curbstomps Iron Fist so hard that's not even funny but keep being delusional.
Jesus freaking Christ could you be even more long winded? I am going to six freaking posts or something to reply to all of that keyboard vomit.
In light of that I will just address the obvious first.
In Iron Fist v3 #1 that couple wasn't' moving. They were lying still holding each other. We clearly don't see them do anything else.
In Iron Fist v1 #7 Master Khan never dispelled the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak. After Danny asks Yu-Ti if his accusations are true he breaks out of them. He was still restrained as he was talking to Yu-Ti from the portal, and we clearly see his hands glowing when he breaks out. I already posted the scans.
Radio was going to wipe out London. That was clear in storyline, and he was blowing shit with powers before then. It's not just poisoning people. Once again I already posted the scans for that when he blasts Danny several times.
My snippet from that data entry reveals that Kenshiro is barely more than peak human, and even then not by that much only by a slight margin in the case of punching speed. Yet, you say it doesn't count showcasing a double standard in regards to adherence to databooks.
I will address the rest later.
Originally posted by Sharivan
Jesus freaking Christ could you be even more long winded? I am going to six freaking posts or something to reply to all of that keyboard vomit.
You just need one sentence to reply to this by apologizing yourself for being so wrong about Iron Fist and Kenshiro.
In light of that I will just address the obvious first.In Iron Fist v3 #1 that couple wasn't' moving. They were lying still holding each other. We clearly don't see them do anything else.
They were standing at first or maybe you are implying that they are moving themselves while being crounched ?
They had to crounch to avoid the burst of the machine-gun which they did while Danny was doing his limbo or doing his acrobatics.
Your initial claim was that Danny did the limbo AND the acrobatics in the time-span of one microsecond.
Quoting yourself again:
Originally posted by Sharivan
Microsecond is not hyperbolic. It is a time-frame that actually exists, and the narration is specific that he did all of this during this time-frame.
So because according to you everything happened in a microsecond, that means that you believe that:
1) According to you the shooter, shot Iron Fist two times in the time-frame of a microsecond... Which is impossible because the rate of fire of an AK-47 is far slower than that and a human-being can't do something that fast on a moving target.
2) According to you the couple crounched themselves in the time-span of a microsecond for the same reasons.
I mean at that point you are clearly showing double standards and bias along fanboyish theories to make Iron Fist appear far better than he is.
Fortunately nobody with at least average reading skills can't fall into that trap...
Let's look the next page:
Yeah that's totally thousands of time the speed of sound mate...
Marvel is full of speedster...
Oh wait ! This is a normal guy next to Danny and Iron Fist has to run away from the shooter !
Danny doesn't move even close to the speed of sound at all...
Keep your fanboy glasses at home, mate.
In Iron Fist v1 #7 Master Khan never dispelled the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak. After Danny asks Yu-Ti if his accusations are true he breaks out of them. He was still restrained as he was talking to Yu-Ti from the portal, and we clearly see his hands glowing when he breaks out. I already posted the scans.
Nope.
You interpretated the scans the way you wanted them to appear.
What happened is:
1) Danny shrugged off two offensive spells.
2) Master Khan used the Crimson Band Od Cyttorak which captured Danny, letting him powerless.
3) Master Kahn talked to Danny and explained to him that Yu-Ti is his ennemy too as he was involved in the tragic death of his parents.
4)Danny showed his interest in that story and asked Yu-Ti about it showing his will to akcnowledge to Master Kahn deal.
5) The Crimson Bands being not needed anymore, Master Kahn dispelled them.
Let me show you the difference:
Crimson Bands of Cyttorak intentionally dispelled by the spellcaster:
Crimson Bands of Cyttorak intentionally broken by the target of the spell:
I mean even the art is crystal clear...
Radio was going to wipe out London. That was clear in storyline, and he was blowing shit with powers before then. It's not just poisoning people. Once again I already posted the scans for that when he blasts Danny several times.
The blasts in the first fight against Radion were directed at the building.
In the second fight he absorbs radiation when he is in hand-to-hand with Radion.
Just keep ignoring more context bro.
It looks good from here.
My snippet from that data entry reveals that Kenshiro is barely more than peak human, and even then not by that much only by a slight margin in the case of punching speed. Yet, you say it doesn't count showcasing a double standard in regards to adherence to databooks.
Yeah sure.
Let's look at a part of Kenshiro's physical stats again:
Grip = Unmeasurable
Arm Strength = Unmeasurable
Walking Ability = Unmeasurable
Strength of His Back = Unmeasurable
Muscle Strength = Can repel the bullet of a small caliber gun when its strained
Leg Speed = Can move 100m in 9 seconds in steps
Fist Speed = Throws 50 punches in three seconds while performing the Hundred Crack Fist
Jump Strength = 9m a step
Punching Strength = Can split a rock that has 5m of thickness
Kick Strength = Can send a 200kg man flying 25m into the air
Diving Time = 53 minutes
Resistance to Poison = Can endure five times the dose of Potassium Cyanide required to kill an ordinary man
Fasting Resistance = Body can remain strong for three months without eating
Sleep Resistance = Can spend an entire week without sleeping
Kenshiro, without amping his physical stats, can jump at 9 m high and destroy a rock of 5 m of thickness without trying... His physical strength is in the same range of the likes of Hulk and Thor as it is incalculable... Hell, we even see him moving a 300 tons rock without breaking a sweat. He can repel 9 mm bullets just by straining his muscles too.
Now to prove your sayings you have to:
A) Post a feat of Danny or any peak human in the MU (like Captain America for example) jumping at 9 m high.
B) Destroying a rock of 5 m of thickness without using the Iron Fist.
C) Hitting at least 50 times per 3 seconds...
D) Moving several tons of rocks or whatever you want.
E) Repelling 9 mm bullets just by the sheer strength of his muscles.
Good luck with that as none of those feats exists.
I will address the rest later.
Rofl.
I'm waiting for it.
That's always a good laugh.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
You just need one sentence to reply to this by apologizing yourself for being so wrong about Iron Fist and Kenshiro.
I am not apologizing for something I am not wrong about.
You're the one who needs to stop using double standards and accept that the databooks are wrong about Iron Fist.
You need to realize that Kenshiro is not clearing this gauntlet. That he is not a threat to the likes of Daniel Rand let alone the Hulk or Hercules.
Theye standing at first or maybe you are implying that they are moving themselves while being crounched ?
No, I am referring to the fact Daniel Rand only starts moving this fast after they have already crouched and are hiding from the gunfire.
?They had to crounch to avoid the burst of the machine-gun which they did while Danny was doing his limbo or doing his acrobatics.
No, they didn't. They were already crouched. As you yourself saw they weren't moving then.
Your initial claim was that Danny did the limbo AND the acrobatics in the time-span of one microsecond.
Yes, and we clearly do not see them move when Daniel Rand was doing the limbo dodge. Yet you're saying they weren't crouching, and moved within this timeframe.
When Daniel Rand moves this fast they're not moving.
According to you the shooter, shot Iron Fist two times in the time-frame of a microsecond...
This is fiction, and that is nothing strange within the context of it. We do not know precisely the specifics of the shooter's weapon but going from this it's far more impressive than normal.
Which is impossible because the rate of fire of an AK-47 is far slower than that and a human-being can't do something that fast on a moving target.
Prove that it was an AK-47 when all we know was that it was an assault rifle, and one we have no information on. As far as we know it could be some customized nonsense, and considering it can fire this fast it probably is.
There is a reason this guy missed with every shot.
2) According to you the couple crounched themselves in the time-span of a microsecond for the same reasons.
Nope, you're the one claiming this.
Now prove it.
I mean at that point you are clearly showing double standards and bias along fanboyish theories to make Iron Fist appear far better than he is.
You mean like how some people are trying to say Kenshiro can beat everyone here at once, and with laughable ease?
No, you do not get to say I am using double standards and are acting like a fanboy.
Fortunately nobody with at least average reading skills can't fall into that trap...
What reading skills? Half the stuff you brought up is made up. Danny refused Master Khan's offer, and broke out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak by using his chi.
It doesn't make sense that Master Khan would actually break the spell. What he wanted was for Danny to go to Kun-Lun, and for the Dragon Kings to rip out Shao-Lao's chi. In the Return to Kun-Lun storyline this is made clear.
Let's look the next page:Yeah that's totally thousands of time the speed of sound mate...
Marvel is full of speedster...
That's because Danny stopped moving that fast, and slowed down. I mentioned this was short range speed not long range speed.
Oh wait ! This is a normal guy next to Danny and Iron Fist has to run away from the shooter !
The narration is not clear that Daniel Rand is still moving as fast as he did earlier. Going by what we see there he clearly slows down. Possibly because maintaining that speed takes a lot of him.
Danny doesn't move even close to the speed of sound at all...Keep your fanboy glasses at home, mate.
Neither does Kenshiro if you want to play the databook game. I specifically provided the scene with flechettes which explicitly shows Danny creating after images, and deflecting dozens of flechettes. That's hypersonic at bare minimum.
As well as stopping the bullet mentioned for Brenda after the casing went flying into the air, and he got that shocked look in his eyes as he intercepted it.
Plus, there's that time Danny moved so fast a bullet couldn't leave the barrel of a gun before he already acted.
Power Man & Iron Fist #80
https://i.imgur.com/D90ZkMu.jpg
Nope..
You interpretated the scans the way you wanted them to appear.
That would be you. As you are adding context into these scans that is not there. Danny never accepts Master Khan's offer. Master Khan wasn't actually trying to help Danny.
What happened is:
1) -snip-
He specifically absorbs the magic from them.
Iron Fist v1 #7
He even outright mentions absorption, and refers to the fact he did the same with Radion.
2) -snip-
It did not as we see an enraged Danny break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak with his chi. After Yu-Ti's guilt becomes apparent.
3) -snip-
This was a ruse to trick Danny into going into Kun-Lun. As the Dragon Kings were loyal to Master Khan. Master Khan did nothing. Nor did he do any fancy gestures with his hands when Danny broke out.
4)-snip-
Nope, Danny refused to believe him at first and it's only when Yu-Ti failed to answer his question did he break out in a rage. He didn't vocally agree to anything, and Master Khan didn't move to release him.
5) The Crimson Bands being not needed anymore, Master Kahn dispelled them.
Show me where Master Khan does anything to suggest he was responsible for that. When it was Daniel Rand's chi that let him break out of it.
Let me show you the difference:Crimson Bands of Cyttorak intentionally dispelled by the spellcaster:
Crimson Bands of Cyttorak intentionally broken by the target of the spell:
I mean even the art is crystal clear...
No, it really doesn't. They both disappear after they're destroyed, and the art style for the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak is notoriously inconsistent.
The only difference is that Daniel Rand did it with more ease with his chi. Mostly likely due to the fact his chi has a strong affinity for magic.
The blasts in the first fight against Radion were directed at the building.
Daniel Rand was clearly caught in the explosions.
They were directed at everything around Radion. As he was losing control of his powers at that point.
In the second fight he absorbs radiation when he is in hand-to-hand with Radion.Just keep ignoring more context bro.
It looks good from here.
No, it does not look good from here.
I am not ignoring anything here. You're the one adding things we do not see happen or can't be seen happening.
By the way said radiation would have murdered anyone else instantly.
http://i.imgur.com/k9P4ihx.jpg
Yeah sure.Let's look at a part of Kenshiro's physical stats again:
-snip-
This never specifies that this is what Kenshiro is capable of without his touki. Besides that, unmeasurable is not quantifiable and means nothing.
No, it does not make Kenshiro as strong as the Hulk or Thor. Show me Kenshiro lifting a mountain weighing billions tons. Show me Kenshiro cracking nearby moons with the shockwaves of his attacks.
This once again proves my point. As in the same article it says Kenshiro is barely superhuman in speed. It says his strength is limitless. Which besides being a no limit fallacy means nothing unless you wank it to all hell.
Now to prove your sayings you have to:
A) Post a feat of Danny or any peak human in the MU (like Captain America for example) jumping at 9 m high.
As if that's even impressive.
Immortal Weapons #5
He is easily able to leap away from a dragons fire breath, and reach its head by jumping up to it.
B) Destroying a rock of 5 m of thickness without using the Iron Fist.
As I already noted that article never specifies that Kenshiro is that strong without his touki. So, this is a red herring.
C) Hitting at least 50 times per 3 seconds...
I already provided an instance showing Danny deflect dozens of flechettes, and creating after images. This would be hilariously easy.
There are martial artists in the real world that can punch 39 times in three seconds.
D) Moving several tons of rocks or whatever you want.
I will do you one better. He could break out of Spiderman's webbing.
Marvel Team #31
https://i.imgur.com/bR2GMIb.jpg
E) Repelling 9 mm bullets just by the sheer strength of his muscles.
I already provided an instance where Danny catches the bullet that would have killed Brenda. It doesn't go through his hand.
Also, here is something even better. He could survive Sunspots attacks.
New Mutants #44
https://i.imgur.com/5XI3Evf.jpg
Good luck with that as none of those feats exists.
I already provided them, and have just given you even more.
Rofl.I'm waiting for it.
That's always a good laugh.
I will see if I can have everything by tomorrow since I have to do them across different posts because of how long winded you were. If I even waste any more time with you when it's clear you're not up for being reasoned with.
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Originally posted by Sharivan
I am not apologizing for something I am not wrong about.
Yeah ok.
Let's see how it comes with your usual handwaving, cognitive bias and misunderstanding of what you are reading.
You're the one who needs to stop using double standards and accept that the databooks are wrong about Iron Fist.
I don't have double standards.
The databook about Kenshiro shows that Ken strength is not measurable and precise when a technique is used.
We saw Kenshiro lift a giant 300 tons boulder without using the Tenryu Kyokuho and the book precise his fist speed in the case of the technique of the Hyakuretsuken.
The durability of Kenshiro greatly increase when he is using the Tenryukyokuho and even more when he is shielding himself with his Toki...
Proof on panel, he is capable to shrugg off completely Raoh and Kaioh most powerful hits and Ki-blast, things that would reduce Danny to ashes.
That's understanding the context which is a thing that you are incapable to do.
The databook about Iron Fist precise that Iron is only capable to reach Peak Human stats when he is summoning his Chi, which obviously put him largely light years below Kenshiro basic physical stats.
You need to realize that Kenshiro is not clearing this gauntlet.
You need to realize that I totally don't care about your biased opinion as you proved that you can twist everything that you are reading to make the characters that you like looking better than they are.
That he is not a threat to the likes of Daniel Rand let alone the Hulk or Hercules.
That's the other way around.
No, I am referring to the fact Daniel Rand only starts moving this fast after they have already crouched and are hiding from the gunfire.
*sigh*
Now you are changing your claim but don't worry.
Both of your claims are false as I already explained.
No, they didn't. They were already crouched. As you yourself saw they weren't moving then.
You are changing your claim again.
Same shit than above.
Yes, and we clearly do not see them move when Daniel Rand was doing the limbo dodge. Yet you're saying they weren't crouching, and moved within this timeframe.
They obviously moved within seconds, like Danny Rand, when he limbo dodged OR when he did the acrobatics.
You are the one whom claimed that everything happened under a microsecond...
When Daniel Rand moves this fast they're not moving.
Rofl.
You are trying too hard.
I will repeat myself once more...
If something happen within a certain time-frame like you are claiming, everything inside that time-frame happens at the same time...
So you have to acknowledge that OR everybody is superfast OR you are Super-Wrong.
The good answer is that you are Super-Wrong.
Nice joke mate ! 😄
This is fiction, and that is nothing strange within the context of it. We do not know precisely the specifics of the shooter's weapon but going from this it's far more impressive than normal.
This is fiction and it doesn't mean that the writer wrote something completely random.
Here we have a typical cinematic action scene with the hero avoiding bullets...
Unfortunately certain readers (you) are completely missing the context.
So no, everything didn't happen under a microsecond.
I already explained that shit to you in detail in my other posts that you didn't read.
Handwaving make you looks bad.
Prove that it was an AK-47 when all we know was that it was an assault rifle, and one we have no information on. As far as we know it could be some customized nonsense, and considering it can fire this fast it probably is.
I'm not speculating like you did.
It can be an AK-47 or an M16, it doesn't matter as you are trying to mislead the audience here...
What matters is that the bullets didn't moved the 10 meters within the timespan of a microsecond like you are claiming.
There is a reason this guy missed with every shot.Nope, you're the one claiming this.
Now prove it.
You are the one whom claimed that everything happened under a microsecond.
As far as I know all of those characters are acting in the same timespan so that's your claim mate.
You mean like how some people are trying to say Kenshiro can beat everyone here at once, and with laughable ease?
Rofl.
Nobody here can keep-up with Kenshiro combat skills and speed.
None of them can counter the Muso Tensei as they doesn't have the Muso Tensei themselves.
None of them knows how to counter Kenshiro's pressure-point techniques, even Danny whom is limited to nerves strikes and other mundane pressure-point techniques.
In short, they can't touch him, Ken touches their pressure-points with ease and they all dies in a pool of blood.
No, you do not get to say I am using double standards and are acting like a fanboy.
Rofl.
You are the one claiming that Danny Rand moves at thousand of times the speed of sound and that he can survive a Nuclear Strike.
That's laughable at best and now you are trying to make me pass for a fanboy.
Poisoning the well is a so common tactic for debaters at your level.
What reading skills? Half the stuff you brought up is made up. Danny refused Master Khan's offer, and broke out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak by using his chi.
I have cramps because I am laughing too hard.
Seriously you should ask someone to read you the story.
1) He accepted that Master Khan could be right when he began to ask questions to Yu-Ti concerning his parents thus making the use of the Crimson Band useless thus giving no reason to Master Khan to continue to ensare him...
2) The Crimson Band of Cyttorak were dispelled by MK because that's what is happening on panel... They became volatile and disappeared and Danny didn't make any effort... Holy shit that's so crystal clear, I don't get how you can miss that.
When Hulk broke the Crimson Bands they remained solid and "in pieces" which insn't the case for Danny as they dissipated like a magical fog.
It doesn't make sense that Master Khan would actually break the spell. What he wanted was for Danny to go to Kun-Lun, and for the Dragon Kings to rip out Shao-Lao's chi. In the Return to Kun-Lun storyline this is made clear.
Master Khan was trying to convince Danny that he was right instead of killing him when Danny subdued.
That completely make sense but you prefer to find a new way to twist the story.
That's because Danny stopped moving that fast, and slowed down. I mentioned this was short range speed not long range speed.
*sigh*
More fan-made explanations please.
Wrong. Already explained at least 3 times in that thread.
The narration is not clear that Daniel Rand is still moving as fast as he did earlier. Going by what we see there he clearly slows down. Possibly because maintaining that speed takes a lot of him.
It's not clear for you because you don't understand what you are reading.
Wrong. Already explained at least 3 times in that thread.
Neither does Kenshiro if you want to play the databook game.
I've never gave a measurement of Kenshiro's speed, instead I posted a feat for Danny fighting someone and the same for Kenshiro.
This feat shows Kenshiro's combat speed faster than anyone in that thread by light years.
I specifically provided the scene with flechettes which explicitly shows Danny creating after images, and deflecting dozens of flechettes. That's hypersonic at bare minimum.
That's aim-blocking.
It's completely irrelevant to that thread and even more to a possible combat situation.
Putting your hands in the path of someone hitting you is possible when you know where he is shooting.
That's hypersonic based on what ?
Danny is moving his hands a few centimeters next to him to block a few flechetters.
Rofl.
That's a completely mute point.
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As well as stopping the bullet mentioned for Brenda after the casing went flying into the air, and he got that shocked look in his eyes as he intercepted it.Plus, there's that time Danny moved so fast a bullet couldn't leave the barrel of a gun before he already acted.
Power Man & Iron Fist #80
You are missing the point once more.
Danny is faster than the shooter, not than the bullet.
Moreover Luke Cage distracted the shooter before he shot Danny, giving him the time to move out of way (aim dodging) the bullet...
That would be you. As you are adding context into these scans that is not there. Danny never accepts Master Khan's offer. Master Khan wasn't actually trying to help Danny.He specifically absorbs the magic from them.
Iron Fist v1 #7
He even outright mentions absorption, and refers to the fact he did the same with Radion.
It did not as we see an enraged Danny break out of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak with his chi. After Yu-Ti's guilt becomes apparent.
This was a ruse to trick Danny into going into Kun-Lun. As the Dragon Kings were loyal to Master Khan. Master Khan did nothing. Nor did he do any fancy gestures with his hands when Danny broke out.
Nope, Danny refused to believe him at first and it's only when Yu-Ti failed to answer his question did he break out in a rage. He didn't vocally agree to anything, and Master Khan didn't move to release him.
Show me where Master Khan does anything to suggest he was responsible for that. When it was Daniel Rand's chi that let him break out of it.
No, it really doesn't. They both disappear after they're destroyed, and the art style for the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak is notoriously inconsistent.
The only difference is that Daniel Rand did it with more ease with his chi. Mostly likely due to the fact his chi has a strong affinity for magic.
Daniel Rand was clearly caught in the explosions.They were directed at everything around Radion. As he was losing control of his powers at that point.
No, it does not look good from here.
I am not ignoring anything here. You're the one adding things we do not see happen or can't be seen happening.
Already adressed those points too.
By the way said radiation would have murdered anyone else instantly.
Yeah to normal human but Danny's resistance his better thanks to summoning his Chi, which doesn't matter anyway as I already proved that he can't do anything to Kenshiro's Ki-blast.
This never specifies that this is what Kenshiro is capable of without his touki. Besides that, unmeasurable is not quantifiable and means nothing.
Bis repetita.
No, it does not make Kenshiro as strong as the Hulk or Thor. Show me Kenshiro lifting a mountain weighing billions tons. Show me Kenshiro cracking nearby moons with the shockwaves of his attacks.
I've said that he is in the same class AKA the class 100, not that he has similar feats.
One more misunderstanding coming from you...
This once again proves my point. As in the same article it says Kenshiro is barely superhuman in speed.
It's about Kenshiro's ability to run, not his combat speed.
You are trying too hard. Take a nap.
It says his strength is limitless. Which besides being a no limit fallacy means nothing unless you wank it to all hell.
Nope.
It's an official information, which is backed-up in the story as we never saw Kenshiro's limits in term of strength as he wasn't even trying lifting a 300 tons rock so his limits remains unknow.
As if that's even impressive.Immortal Weapons #5
He is easily able to leap away from a dragons fire breath, and reach its head by jumping up to it.
Rofl.
You prove once more that you don't understand what you are reading.
He had two complete panels to spot the Dragon's Breath AKA several seconds and even then he jumped just like 2 or 3 meters at max next to him..
Nothing impressive at street-level...
And the feat of reaching his head is just ridiculous as the Dragon attacked Danny's feets and then Danny put weigth on Dragon's head to land on his neck...
He barely jumped two meters high if I'm highballing, that's not even close to Kenshiro whom can jump 9 m high without amping himself.
As I already noted that article never specifies that Kenshiro is that strong without his touki. So, this is a red herring.
A red herring is showing completely irrelevant scans about Danny Rand isntead of combat feats that would prove him at least able to touch Kenshiro.
Instead you are posting feats about Danny avoiding projectiles and other bullshit which doesn't matter at all.
There is the definition of a Red Herring which fits perfectly what you are trying, unsuccefully, to do:
"A red herring, besides being a type of pickled fish, is a fallacious argument style in which an irrelevant or false topic is presented in an attempt to divert attention from the original issue, with the intention of "winning" an argument by leading attention away from the original argument and on to another, often unrelated topic.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because changing the topic of discussion does not count as an argument against a claim"
I already provided an instance showing Danny deflect dozens of flechettes, and creating after images. This would be hilariously easy.
Irrelevant.
Moving on.
There are martial artists in the real world that can punch 39 times in three seconds.
I asked you for feats of Danny that could put him at least on par with Kenshiro's base stats in fist speed.
You are trying to divert the discussion on another topic because there is not feats on that order for Iron Fist.
You have no feats on that order because Danny has never reached this kind of combat speed.
I will do you one better. He could break out of Spiderman's webbing.Marvel Team #31
Rofl.
Let's calculate shall we ?
Peter's web tensile strength is only 120 pounds per square millimeter of cross section.
After calculation:
http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/pressure/psi.html
This means the Pressure of the wed is only of 8 pascal.
Kenshiro has lift a 300 tons rock which means a mass of 300 000 kilos and let's say his palms have an average size of 0,546 square meters.
http://www.theaveragebody.com/average_hand_size.php
The calculator find a pressure of 2694134 Pascal.
Which means that the pressure of the rock on Kenshiro is 2694134 / 8 = 336766 times stronger than the one endured by Iron Fist...
Yeah that's totally comparable mate. ROFL...
I already provided an instance where Danny catches the bullet that would have killed Brenda. It doesn't go through his hand.Also, here is something even better. He could survive Sunspots attacks.
New Mutants #44
Let's compare the destructive power of this "out-of-solar-energy" Roberto Dacosta (Solar is dark when fully charged in enery) to the power of a casual punch of a young and far weaker than in the end of the series Raoh...
I already provided them, and have just given you even more.
Your post is even worse than the previous one.
You are trying to hard to maje Iron Fist pass for what he isn't.
I will see if I can have everything by tomorrow since I have to do them across different posts because of how long winded you were. If I even waste any more time with you when it's clear you're not up for being reasoned with.
I perfectly know Iron Fist and Kenshiro and you obviously don't.
Just accept that Iron Fist is smoked instantly and effortlessly and move on.
The feat about Danny jumping hasn't charged so I will post it here:
Wow !
And the feat of reaching his head is just ridiculous as the Dragon attacked Danny's feets and then Danny put weigth on Dragon's head to land on his neck...
He barely jumped two meters high if I'm highballing, that's not even close to Kenshiro whom can jump 9 m high without amping himself.
Impressive really ! 😄
Let"s see Kenshiro amped with the Tenryu Kyokuho:
The guy is literally above a stadium...
http://www.detail-online.com/article/london-2012-olympic-stadium-16402/
For example the highest points of the London Olympic Stadium are 63 meters high...
That's far beyond anything Iron Fist is capable to do.
Rofl.
"Barely superhuman".
HAHAHAHAHA ! XD
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Rofl.He has 5 complete posts to address.
Seeing how far he has been those times I don't expect his next post to be great.
That was before I saw the back and forth about Iron Fist.
Now I'm torn. Hard to vote against The Fist...
Did you read the Living Weapon series? A lot of impressive feats in that series. Walking away from getting blasted between K'un L'un and Earth's dimensional barrier without a scratch alone.. Came in like a missile, and got up like nothing happened.
