Originally posted by Sirius77
Hmm. Your sarcasm has been noted zop.However, I'm willing to be convinced. I can see it going either way as I understand it, but judging by your reaction, why do you think that this is a spite thread?
What are you talking about? I think PISLESS SBP (not the feeb the Titans beat) would beat Mangog in a straight up fight every single time. Failing that, there is no "NO BFR" stip, SBP can't lose.
Originally posted by zopzop
What are you talking about? I think PISLESS SBP (not the feeb the Titans beat) would beat Mangog in a straight up fight every single time. Failing that, there is no "NO BFR" stip, SBP can't lose.
I don't think Prime as he was portrayed in Infinite Crisis would beat Silver Age Mangog. Or SCW Prime. Considering the fact that he never resorts to intentional BFR (outside of him tossing Anti-Monitor), I see Prime just standing there and wailing on Mangog in a rage fueled fit....which will only serve to further amp Mangog.
It was pretty clear than nothing physical at the time even effected Mangog, from Asgard's most powerful weapons to Thor himself. And I have no doubt that Prime couldn't effortlessly no-sell Thor and his most powerful strikes. He's been hurt by Martian Manhunter, Superboy, Kid Flash, and Superman himself. Mangog on the other hand, just took Thor's best blows and dismissed him without worry. It took Odin himself to beat Mangog, once nearly killing himself to do so.
I don't think Prime can replicate what was required to beat him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank I don't think Prime as he was portrayed in Infinite Crisis would beat Silver Age Mangog. Or SCW Prime. Considering the fact that he never resorts to intentional BFR (outside of him tossing Anti-Monitor), I see Prime just standing there and wailing on Mangog in a rage fueled fit....which will only serve to further amp Mangog.It was pretty clear than nothing physical at the time even effected Mangog, from Asgard's most powerful weapons to Thor himself. And I have no doubt that Prime couldn't effortlessly no-sell Thor and his most powerful strikes. He's been hurt by Martian Manhunter, Superboy, Kid Flash, and Superman himself. Mangog on the other hand, just took Thor's best blows and dismissed him without worry. It took Odin himself to beat Mangog, once nearly killing himself to do so.
I don't think Prime can replicate what was required to beat him. [/B]
I agree with that part, except for the way that he was portrayed and the bfr option kind of. I think that the only reason that he bfred the AM was because he apparently saw him as a legitimate threat. He hadn't really encountered anyone on the level of AM prior to that. So if he senses that Mangog is a similar level threat, then I see no reason as to why he wouldn't bfr him tbh. On another note, how long would it take mangog to get back if the bfr becomes a valid option?
If you want to use Prime's lowest feats to make a judgement as to how he would do against Mangog, then that's fine, but understand, it's lowballing.
Kid Flash, as I've said before, was horribly amped in every confrontation that he's ever had with Prime, or had the aid of other Flashes. In IC, he had absorbed the entire speedforce after he and a couple other SF users were defeated by Prime, just to beat him back to new Earth (he still failed), then with this power, he drew a little blood from Prime, and Prime walked off. In lo3w, he was amped by Barry's return, and had help from XS who was running on the same amp.
Superboy? How are you going to accept the Myx incident as PIS, you'll accept the surfer armbar and brick incidents as PIS, but not Conner Kent drawing blood from a being the pushes planets ftl, blitzes Flashes, bfrs the AM, and weathers universe and galaxy busters? I don't get how people even discuss that anymore tbh.
Superman has been proven time and time again to be below Prime, and has even stated it himself. There was not a time that Superman has fought Prime and not been treated as fodder, except in cases where Prime is weakened or they are both equally weakened.
And if you mean magic, I don't disagree with you. Like I said, I'm willing to be convinced.