Team 7 Vs Weapon X

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Dum Dum is trying to say that there is no proof the sword would have any significant or lasting effect on someone with a healing factor - which you claimed - because by nature of never having faced someone with Wolverine's power set, it has never displayed that ability. To date the swords have only been used with varying effectiveness against baseline street level humans... and they didn't work at all on Fireball. It's not the equivalent of the Penance Star or anything.

A better case could be made in favour of Wolverine being able to no sell The Sword of Sin complete, than the alternative. Wolverine has encounter similar abilities several times after all.

The sword works on a different level though. It screws with the psyche. It would work on Wolverine, but it's effects on him or Creed would be unknown. It could put him down like Psylocke's Psy blade did, or cause them to go nuts and lash out at anything in sight.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Dum Dum is trying to say that there is no proof the sword would have any significant or lasting effect on someone with a healing factor - which you claimed - because by nature of never having faced someone with Wolverine's power set, it has never displayed that ability. To date the swords have only been used with varying effectiveness against baseline street level humans... and they didn't work at all on Fireball. It's not the equivalent of the Penance Star or anything.

A better case could be made in favour of Wolverine being able to no sell The Sword of Sin complete, than the alternative. Wolverine has encounter similar abilities several times after all.

Similar, but not exactly the same, right?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Dum Dum is trying to say that there is no proof the sword would have any significant or lasting effect on someone with a healing factor - which you claimed - because by nature of never having faced someone with Wolverine's power set, it has never displayed that ability. To date the swords have only been used with varying effectiveness against baseline street level humans... and they didn't work at all on Fireball. It's not the equivalent of the Penance Star or anything.

A better case could be made in favour of Wolverine being able to no sell The Sword of Sin complete, than the alternative. Wolverine has encounter similar abilities several times after all.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Similar, but not exactly the same, right?

Two abilities are rarely exactly the same, but close enough that the differences are negligible. The Sword of Sin is like a poor man's version of Dagger's light dagger... or a very very poor man's version of the Penance Stare. A couple of months ago Wolverine completely shrugged off Soulstriker's power - which is also essentially the same thing as the Sword of Sin - which is what I think would happen between him and Azrael. Wolverine's been to hell and feels like he's payed for his past sins, I don't think those types of powers will be very effective until he racks up some new ones.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Two abilities are rarely exactly the same, but close enough that the differences are negligible. The Sword of Sin is like a poor man's version of Dagger's light dagger... or a very very poor man's version of the Penance Stare. A couple of months ago Wolverine completely shrugged off Soulstriker's power - which is also essentially the same thing as the Sword of Sin - which is what I think would happen between him and Azrael. Wolverine's been to hell and feels like he's payed for his past sins, I don't think those types of powers will be very effective until he racks up some new ones.

Fair enough. I still think it would do a number on Logan. Whether or not it would have any lasting effects is entirely unknown. The swords have done a number on guys like Dick and even he was surprised. Either way, I think Az could be a match for anyone on Weapon X, but not necessarily superior in the long run or take a majority.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Fair enough. I still think it would do a number on Logan. Whether or not it would have any lasting effects is entirely unknown. The swords have done a number on guys like Dick and even he was surprised. Either way, I think Az could be a match for anyone on Weapon X, but not necessarily superior in the long run or take a majority.

Outside of narrative hyperbole where he allegedly has the strength of a hundred men, and looking at just his feats Azrael is one of the weakest pieces on the board. IMO

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Outside of narrative hyperbole where he allegedly has the strength of a hundred men, and looking at just his feats Azrael is one of the weakest pieces on the board. IMO

I disagree. He basically took down Dick (and we know how fast he is, so it wasn't hyperbole.) Yeah, he's not Flash/Quicksilver fast, but he's fast enough to gauge. And his armor is pretty durable as well.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I disagree. He basically took down Dick (and we know how fast he is, so it wasn't hyperbole.) Yeah, he's not Flash/Quicksilver fast, but he's fast enough to gauge. And his armor is pretty durable as well.

How does basically taking down dick make you 100 times faster then a Human...........

I said DICK!! DICK!! DICK!!

But seriously, Dick had an easier time dodging Deathstroke. Look what happened when he ran into Michael. He basically lost in 2 moves.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I disagree. He basically took down Dick (and we know how fast he is, so it wasn't hyperbole.) Yeah, he's not Flash/Quicksilver fast, but he's fast enough to gauge. And his armor is pretty durable as well.

That happened because Dick was under the faulty assumption he was immune to the swords powers. Had he not made that assumption or had he no prior knowledge of the swords, he would have been in dodge mode and that encounter would have played out differently.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I said DICK!! DICK!! DICK!!

But seriously, Dick had an easier time dodging Deathstroke. Look what happened when he ran into Michael. He basically lost in 2 moves.

In which fight? they fought like 5 times. DS has had no trouble tagging NW in fight before.

DS was stated at being 10 times human speed. You think is reasonable to suggests that Azreal is 10 times his speed? I love to watch you try and prove that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That happened because Dick was under the faulty assumption he was immune to the swords powers. Had he not made that assumption or had he no prior knowledge of the swords, he would have been in dodge mode and that encounter would have played out differently.

Doubt it. He wouldn't get past his armor, other than PIS.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Doubt it. He wouldn't get past his armor, other than PIS.

Dick's taser knuckle dusters would do the trick.

Originally posted by Stoic
Omega Red?

I'm not sure it'll give them the win though. Dane still makes it tricky.

Originally posted by StyleTime
That's an improvement.

I'm not sure it'll give them the win though. Dane still makes it tricky.

? Are u sure? Omega red could literrally beat pretty much the entire DC team with seconds.

Team 7.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
? Are u sure? Omega red could literrally beat pretty much the entire DC team with seconds.

Apart from him, I'd give the edge to Weapon X overall.