Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?
I think this would have something to do with it:
Originally posted by ozz81
Darkseid at his best and peak
Thor's always been able to hang around longer outside his weight class than other high heralds. But at least Classic and Current should lose. Not sure about the other two.
Originally posted by DigiTo me his peak his Countdown. Orion bested him so I see classic Thor being able to do the same and when you get into the higher end Thors like King and Rune it isn't even fair anymore for Darkseid.
I think this would have something to do with it:Thor's always been able to hang around longer outside his weight class than other high heralds. But at least Classic and Current should lose. Not sure about the other two.
Originally posted by quanchi112
To me his peak his Countdown. Orion bested him so I see classic Thor being able to do the same and when you get into the higher end Thors like King and Rune it isn't even fair anymore for Darkseid.
Orion gets a special pass with Darkseid, kinda of like Drax with Thanos. It's written into his fate to be able to take down DS.
There's also the matter of Orion's size in Countdown, suggesting some sort of powerup. I personally wouldn't consider CD the peak of anything, even power levels, especially for those characters.
Hell, just a couple months before that showing, Superman was getting repeatedly knocked unconscious just hanging out on the outskirts of a battle between DS and...someone. Might've been Orion again. It was in Starlin's Death of the New Gods. And that's off the top of my head.
And I assume we're both ignoring potential multiversal interpretations of DS from FC just to make debate easier. I don't know that that's his most powerful incarnation, but it could be argued that he was abstract by that point.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Darkseid was powered up in Death of the New Gods.
by...? Refresh my memory, I don't get into the idiosyncracies of power levels like many on the forums. Iirc, it wasn't anything that should be considered outside his powers (like the ALE, which he's possessed at varying levels numerous times).
Originally posted by DigiBut Orion already took him down and Drax was created as his silver bullet not the same with Orion.
Orion gets a special pass with Darkseid, kinda of like Drax with Thanos. It's written into his fate to be able to take down DS.There's also the matter of Orion's size in Countdown, suggesting some sort of powerup. I personally wouldn't consider CD the peak of anything, even power levels, especially for those characters.
Hell, just a couple months before that showing, Superman was getting repeatedly knocked unconscious just hanging out on the outskirts of a battle between DS and...someone. Might've been Orion again. It was in Starlin's Death of the New Gods. And that's off the top of my head.
And I assume we're both ignoring potential multiversal interpretations of DS from FC just to make debate easier. I don't know that that's his most powerful incarnation, but it could be argued that he was abstract by that point.
Orion was normal sized iirc.
Darkseid was amped in dotng.
In fc he really didn't do anything combat wise to suggest multiversal powers anyway imo.
Originally posted by Digi
by...? Refresh my memory, I don't get into the idiosyncracies of power levels like many on the forums. Iirc, it wasn't anything that should be considered outside his powers (like the ALE, which he's possessed at varying levels numerous times).
Soulfire formula. He had absorbed the essences of the collective dead ng iirc, and was able to battle the source one on one for a while.