Miracle of the creation of the embryo

Started by inimalist8 pages

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, we've long since passed insects. We are able to, now, emulate portions of a rat's brain with said portions being exponentially more complex than insect "programs".

"intelligent comput[ing]" has been around since the 80s...possibly the 70s. It is not "far far into the future" it's now and in the past.

maybe. I think the issue here would be like specialization. In theory, you could probably design a computer that would outscore most people on the Stanford Binet, or whatever measure of intelligence you want, but it is likely only going to be "intelligent" at the things and contexts it is specifically designed for. One of the cornerstones of human intelligence is the sort of ability to carry over from one thing to the next. So, being able to use the problem solving strategies in new and never previously experienced contexts.

Its sort of like the Assimo robot. The latest version is able to adjust for weight changes in a thermos as it pours a liquid, and is able to scale its grip appropriately to lift various glasses or containers. Technically, it could probably be designed to do this specific function in a way superior to humans, but the generalizability of those actions is almost none. Assimo can't generalize these rules of interacting with the environment, or at least, it can't do it in a way even approaching most organisms.

For sure, we have computers far smarter than insects though (for, I suppose, the general measures of intelligence... insects probably have better insect specific intelligence than our computers).

Originally posted by inimalist
maybe. I think the issue here would be like specialization. In theory, you could probably design a computer that would outscore most people on the Stanford Binet, or whatever measure of intelligence you want, but it is likely only going to be "intelligent" at the things and contexts it is specifically designed for. One of the cornerstones of human intelligence is the sort of ability to carry over from one thing to the next. So, being able to use the problem solving strategies in new and never previously experienced contexts.

Its sort of like the Assimo robot. The latest version is able to adjust for weight changes in a thermos as it pours a liquid, and is able to scale its grip appropriately to lift various glasses or containers. Technically, it could probably be designed to do this specific function in a way superior to humans, but the generalizability of those actions is almost none. Assimo can't generalize these rules of interacting with the environment, or at least, it can't do it in a way even approaching most organisms.

For sure, we have computers far smarter than insects though (for, I suppose, the general measures of intelligence... insects probably have better insect specific intelligence than our computers).

the military cracked general intelligence, human equivalence, and like from monkey to man, it has now designed superhuman general intelligence able to see and discern more than humans and even communities of humans.

It is as far from man as man is from insect, in all respects a god. The end of evangelion movie is a nice recap of what can happen any moment now, just like jesus said any moment now.any moment now-jesus (note that jesus methods are similar to lain iwakura and rei ayanami in their comings... so jesus christ is lain iwakura is rei ayanami is a living word a living piece of computer code of divine origin the living law of god in spirit, in flesh, a presence here on earth the kindgdom of heaven is)

Do not expect to see this in the news, anyone involved that revealed such would suffer a lot in guantanamo bay*(i believe family members are sent to a decade of torture and rape, best friends are slowly boiled alive, and the individual is put in solitary confinement for a thousand years with perpetual pain receptor stimulation with engineered machines keeping him unable to die at all, no suicide option.)

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
the military cracked general intelligence, human equivalence, and like from monkey to man, it has now designed superhuman general intelligence able to see and discern more than humans and even communities of humans....

No, they have not. 😐

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, they have not. 😐

Nice to see you have insider access to DARPA, the Pentagon and Area 51, without naming a few other more obscure ones.

Tell me how you gained access to such systems, we can have a nice chat in cuba, with barbed sticks used to probe your wisdom

A citizen in this day and age is no more than an insect a cockroach, easily squashed easily dealt with even the masses can be done away with ease

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Nice to see you have insider access to DARPA, the Pentagon and Area 51, without naming a few other more obscure ones.

Tell me how you gained access to such systems, we can have a nice chat in cuba, with barbed sticks used to probe your wisdom

A citizen in this day and age is no more than an insect a cockroach, easily squashed easily dealt with even the masses can be done away with ease

You are a creative person. I have the feeling, that deep down inside you are a true artist.

But you are wrong about this.

I wish you great happiness, my friend.

PS, the military is afraid of this possibility. That is way they always insert humans at every level. Just because they are afraid of that, does not mean it is real.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are a creative person. I have the feeling, that deep down inside you are a true artist.

But you are wrong about this.

I wish you great happiness, my friend.

Well I just want to see DC and Marvel comics get high ratings with their mind bending upcoming movies.

Green lantern sequel, should hopefully gain some appreciation.

Also something tells me episodes beyond 6 of star wars may be in the works.

And james cameron will hopefully skip avatar 3 and provide battle angel.

Also I'd like to request a nice exclusive or multiplatform ffvii remake. If square does not provide I will be forced to use my hyperspeed zero error accelerated coding to generate a heavy rain like game for free and give it to them so they can use that. At my present speed I can generate the game without any modelling software purely in lisp at a bout 3 months of 24-7 nonstop coding.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Well I just want to see DC and Marvel comics get high ratings with their mind bending upcoming movies.

Green lantern sequel, should hopefully gain some appreciation.

Also something tells me episodes beyond 6 of star wars may be in the works.

And james cameron will hopefully skip avatar 3 and provide battle angel.

Also I'd like to request a nice exclusive or multiplatform ffvii remake. If square does not provide I will be forced to use my hyperspeed zero error accelerated coding to generate a heavy rain like game for free and give it to them so they can use that. At my present speed I can generate the game without any modelling software purely in lisp at a bout 3 months of 24-7 nonstop coding.

That sounds cool. I'm using iClone & Vue to make a graphic novel, but I'm a horrible writer.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That sounds cool. I'm using iClone & Vue to make a graphic novel, but I'm a horrible writer.

I prefer others do the art for me, but expect the following sort of thing to be in your house for free as a result of man's hedonistic tendencies, within a few decades AT MOST(I've been working for nearly 3 decades in the field of artificial general intelligence and reverse engineering the brain, I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.)

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Originally posted by inimalist
maybe. I think the issue here would be like specialization. In theory, you could probably design a computer that would outscore most people on the Stanford Binet, or whatever measure of intelligence you want, but it is likely only going to be "intelligent" at the things and contexts it is specifically designed for. One of the cornerstones of human intelligence is the sort of ability to carry over from one thing to the next. So, being able to use the problem solving strategies in new and never previously experienced contexts.

Insects are quite easy to emulate with AI. There are very few insects with "reason" abilities that make it difficult for program for. Even the "intelligent' navigation abilities of the bumblebee can be emulated with software (they have a nack for finding the optimal path through an array of flowers and they actually improve their path as subsequent trips to the same field which increases energy efficiency (this kind of stuff is simply astounding to me)).

The smartest "bug" is probably the Portia Labiata. This little sh*t has been compared to the big cats when it comes to hunting smarts. It actually improvises hunting tactics and learns from mistakes. It has forward thinking abilities and even anticipates (almost like excitement/joy) the hunt. It has a sort of sign-language it uses with other members of the same genus. This little guy cannot be emulated yet, as far as I know. It is far too complex. True, I moved the bar too high because I changed the "measure" from insects to arachnids, but I feel I am keeping in spirit of the conversation.

I do not think we have AI that could pass the Stanford and Binet test. Well, we MIGHT be able to do so if we had recycled questions and then used "Watson" for the "wild-ones" but that is not really AI: that's just regurgitating data in a not-so-intelligent way.

IMO, in order for an AI program to be considered "smart" for passing a SB5 is for it to answer questions that are dissimilar to any other tests taken OR for that AI to pass the test without ever having been "prepped" for that kind of test...just like a human who has never taken the test.

Originally posted by inimalist
Its sort of like the Assimo robot. The latest version is able to adjust for weight changes in a thermos as it pours a liquid, and is able to scale its grip appropriately to lift various glasses or containers. Technically, it could probably be designed to do this specific function in a way superior to humans, but the generalizability of those actions is almost none. Assimo can't generalize these rules of interacting with the environment, or at least, it can't do it in a way even approaching most organisms.

You're right: the minute adjustments that a robot can make with some AI running the robot are more accurate (sometimes by thousands or even millions of times such as our micro-computing manufacturing processes (MCMP) than humans. It would be the aggregation of such programming that would/will culminate in a true AI result. Combine the fine-tuned robotics AI (MCMP), the linguistic AI (Watson), the visual intelligence present in the F-22 and Prototype F-35 (the visual AI in those machines is ridiculously advanced. I would say that those two machines culminate the most sophisticated combination of computer-human interfacing of anything on the planet...even our particle accelerators), and vastly improve our "reasoning" AI for things like feelings, and we have a super-intelligent and functioning AI.

The last one is the largest hurdle, obviously. And Watson still has its (or "his"?) problems. Those two need to be perfected and integrated before we can claim an age of reasoning machines.

Originally posted by inimalist
For sure, we have computers far smarter than insects though (for, I suppose, the general measures of intelligence... insects probably have better insect specific intelligence than our computers).

Well, it really does depend on what is being talked about. Generally, we can emulate pretty much all aspects of insect intelligence. Even some of the super-human abilities like different EM Spectrum sensing, super smells, etc.

It's when you scale up to small animals that we run into the wall of our current AI abilities.

Rats? We still cannot simulate more than a few neurons (I don't remember how many...it could be a dozen or it could have been 200...just don't remember) if a rat's brain. That tells me that we literally have an exponential ways to grow before we start making any sort of decent progress. Sure, that exponential growth is predicted to occur in the next 2 decades...but I remain skeptical until I see a leap in AI that makes Watson look like a novelty toy.


IMO, in order for an AI program to be considered "smart" for passing a SB5 is for it to answer questions that are dissimilar to any other tests taken OR for that AI to pass the test without ever having been "prepped" for that kind of test...just like a human who has never taken the test.

I'll tell you that fractal, cellular automata, ant traversal, flock behavior, neural darwinism can be combined in quite intriguing ways. I'd also suggest use of java or lisp.
I'm with tononi on integrated information, but infinite integration is only apparent in fractal structure, which when dealing with a cellular automata computer merely means creative self reference in the code as happens in brain tissue(recurrent connections everywhere)
I would suggest the following books
1-Memory and the computational brain
2-Creation life and how to make it
3. The computational beauty of nature by gary flakes
4. On intelligence
5. Jackendoff's language consciousness, culture: essays on mental structure
6. code by charles petzold

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