Originally posted by Galan007It did have complete dominance but Seid's attempt on his own life took time and failed. That's my point. Darkseid doesn't have complete mastery over mind and soul so of course he fell victim to it. The point I made is the time it took and the fact his suicide attempt also failed.
The instance is clear: the ALE had absolute dominance over Darkseid. The ONLY reason he survived is because BR intervened. Additionally, we saw even MORE proof of the ALE's superiority over Darkseid during DotNG when Scott Free (with the full Equation) controlled Darkseid, and ALL of his Shadow Demons, to his every whim. ALE >[g_infinity] Darkseid.Stop trolling just to troll, or I will report you.
Originally posted by quanchi112READ THE SCANS. Orion WANTED Darkseid to take a long time to kill himself.
It did have complete dominance but Seid's attempt on his own life took time and failed. That's my point. Darkseid doesn't have complete mastery over mind and soul so of course he fell victim to it. The point I made is the time it took and the fact his suicide attempt also failed.
Srsly, stop trolling.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiDuring FC, Darkseid's 'fall' created a singularity "where his heart used to be"--and said singularity was destroying the multiverse. Essentially Darkseid's fall was collapsing creation into a single hell where everything was Darkseid.
In fact, when did DS warp the multiverse in general without help and under his own power?
Originally posted by Galan007The words a single shot makes my case for me. A single shot was taken and he lived.
READ THE SCANS. Orion WANTED Darkseid to take a long time to kill himself.Srsly, stop trolling.
During FC, Darkseid's 'fall' created a singularity "where his heart used to be"--and said singularity was destroying the multiverse. Essentially Darkseid's fall was collapsing creation into a single hell where everything was Darkseid.
Originally posted by quanchi112I believe, and I could be wrong, that the A.L.E would have no problem dealing with someone that ONLY possessed either mind, or soul gems. I'm a little ify on the reality gem, but I guess that it would come down to the user. But all the gems working together and amped by the power gem would be too much, even for a badass like Darkseid.
Ale can't override the ig's complete mastery over the mind/soul anyway. The ig also sees attacks coming.Didn't Orion tell Darkseid to basically kill himself and didn't Darkseid live through it ? 😂
Originally posted by Galan007
READ THE SCANS. Orion WANTED Darkseid to take a long time to kill himself.Srsly, stop trolling.
During FC, Darkseid's 'fall' created a singularity "where his heart used to be"--and said singularity was destroying the multiverse. Essentially Darkseid's fall was collapsing creation into a single hell where everything was Darkseid.
Well that isn't exactly true my friend... Let's be honest here... It's not like DS has the power to effect the multiverse on his own with the wave of his hand. Let's look at the facts that actually made it possible for "him" to effect the multiverse..
1. he needed the ALE to win the war the heaven.. The ALE has been used by others, not just DS, and thus it's like a powerup of sorts.
2. the war in heaven cracked space and time which ALLOWED DS to fall to begin with. WIthout that crack.. which he didnt cause under his power.. nothing would've effected the multiverse
3. The broadcasting of the ALE further cracked time and space.. again, not DS's power
4. It wasn't DS and his power causing the multiverse to collapse. It was DS falling to a place he didn't belong that caused all the problems with the multiverse. He didn't belong there in that world and thus him falling to a place he didn't belong is what caused all the effects. It's similiar to other situations in Marvel where somebody does something in the 616 or in a alt timeline which has effects on the multiverse. They don't have the power themselves.. but a certain actions of theirs in the 616 (and it being the prime universe) cause problems all over.
Point is, it wasn't like DS was doing anything to the multiverse with his power, and he wouldn't have been able to do a thing if space and time wasn't cracked by the war (whcih he never planned on). All that was shown was the DS is important to the multiverse.. kinda like superman in that he's essential... Removing him and there being no "evil" personified has multiversal consequences. That and he showed incredile will power to no go down easily. However, let's not kid ourselves.. he did nothing multiversal with his power nor caused it with power. It was him simply falling to a place he didn't belong and that had a lot of consequences.
Darkseid, with the ALE, was a threat to the multiverse. Regardless of whether or not the ALE was of his own power or not or just an amp/power up, it enabled Darkseid to be a massive threat. It's no different from Thanos needing the Cosmic Cube or IG or HOTU to become a threat on a much wider scope than he is normally.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Darkseid, with the ALE, was a threat to the multiverse. Regardless of whether or not the ALE was of his own power or not or just an amp/power up, it enabled Darkseid to be a massive threat. It's no different from Thanos needing the Cosmic Cube or IG or HOTU to become a threat on a much wider scope than he is normally.
Never said otherwise Big Jake, but regardless, DS only caused what he did by having a powerup and because he was falling to a place he didn't belong. Not because he was throwing around his power wrecking the multiverse.
The ALE only allowed Darkseid to control sentient life--this was made blatantly clear throughout the story. The singularity that formed due to Darkseid's fall was solely responsible for mucking with the multiverse--this was also made blatantly clear.
Point being: the ALE did not add to the multiversal damage Darkseid's fall was causing. I'd be curious to see what proof there is to the contrary.
Originally posted by Galan007
The ALE only allowed Darkseid to control sentient life--this was made blatantly clear throughout the story. The singularity that formed due to Darkseid's fall was solely responsible for mucking with the multiverse--this was also made blatantly clear.Point being: the ALE did not add to the multiversal damage Darkseid's fall was causing. I'd be curious to see what proof there is to the contrary.
Well I hope you're not saying I said that... Though it was stated on panel that just the broadcasting of it caused space and time to crack futher...and it showed it causing some destruction other than that. So, I'm not sure about it ONLY doing that.
Anyways, my only point was, that DS didn't cause the multiverse to collapse by exerting his power. The multiverse was collapsing cause he was falling into the prime universe.. a place he didn't belong.
Originally posted by BrockalizerI disagree I don't see the a.l.e. being able to defeat just either gem user. It was also retconned into being resisted by those wired differently.
I believe, and I could be wrong, that the A.L.E would have no problem dealing with someone that ONLY possessed either mind, or soul gems. I'm a little ify on the reality gem, but I guess that it would come down to the user. But all the gems working together and amped by the power gem would be too much, even for a badass like Darkseid.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankI agree, but I'd stipulate that not all universal threats are equal. Darkseid with the A.L.E is a much bigger threat to the universe than guys like Annihilus, Lord Mar-vel, and Magus. Thanos with the gauntlet however would be an even bigger threat IMO primarily because the A.L.E affects the mind and free will, while the gauntlet affects everything. Complete mastery of the soul, mind, time, and reality provide four separate defenses. With the time gem Thanos would get the first attack everytime. There isn't a doubt in my mind that Thanos can tap into the gauntlet faster than Darkseid can use the equation. But that's just my humble opinion.
Darkseid, with the ALE, was a threat to the multiverse. Regardless of whether or not the ALE was of his own power or not or just an amp/power up, it enabled Darkseid to be a massive threat. It's no different from Thanos needing the Cosmic Cube or IG or HOTU to become a threat on a much wider scope than he is normally.