Why aren't we going electric?

Started by Colossus-Big C2 pages

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
I wasn't clear, I realize you can get it from any source (hell you could theoretically charge up using potatoes and gatorade). It's a question of potential. How many reliable sources are there at the moment that could reach all parts of the country?

Wind or Hydro? Nope.

Nuclear, maybe.

Solar? Admittedly I'm not up to date on the advancements but I'm willing to to bet it hasn't reached the point where we could power all or most of the nations cars with it.

Coal seems the most likely suspect. Or natural gas. Or oil.

we have recently invented 100% efficient solar panels. Where as normal solar panels are like 20% efficient iirc

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
we have recently invented 100% efficient solar panels. Where as normal solar panels are like 20% efficient iirc

No, we have not. There can never be a 100% efficient solar panel.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
If this is all true, it's pretty eye-opening...

YouTube video

This

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, we have not. There can never be a 100% efficient solar panel.
Just No.

Infact i was wrong we have invented solar panels Over 100% efficient

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/19/scientists-create-first-solar-cell-with-over-100-percent-quantum/

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Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Just No.

Infact i was wrong we have invented solar panels Over 100% efficient

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/19/scientists-create-first-solar-cell-with-over-100-percent-quantum/

You have been had.

http://junkscience.com/2011/12/20/solar-energy-finally-100-percent-efficient/

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You have been had.

http://junkscience.com/2011/12/20/solar-energy-finally-100-percent-efficient/

Phuck 😂

Originally posted by inimalist
wut?

On the news last night, it stated there there has yet to be built a pipeline from Canada to the US. Is this false information?

Originally posted by Stoic
On the news last night, it stated there there has yet to be built a pipeline from Canada to the US. Is this false information?

The president will not allow it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The president will not allow it.

Really? Where does this information come from?

Originally posted by Stoic
On the news last night, it stated there there has yet to be built a pipeline from Canada to the US. Is this false information?

no, you are right, no way for Canadian oil to get into America

Originally posted by Stoic
Really? Where does this information come from?

I watch the news. Try goggling it.

There already is a pipeline from Canada to the U.S. The Keystone Pipeline exists, it was the extension that was postponed.

(Reuters) - Facing intensifying election-year attacks over rising gasoline prices, President Barack Obama sought to shift the spotlight onto oil and gas companies on Thursday by pushing for the repeal of U.S. tax breaks that benefit the industry.

Obama's speech in New Hampshire, in the backyard of leading Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney, was part of a White House strategy to blunt a bid by Republicans to blame a spike in energy prices on the president's energy policies.

With the issue posing a potential threat to Obama's re-election prospects in November, his administration has been at pains to say it is doing everything it can to bring down costs, even as it stresses that market-driven price rises are largely beyond its control.

"I've directed my administration to look for every single area where we can make an impact and help consumers, from helping to relieve bottlenecks ... to what's going on in the oil markets," Obama said. "And we will keep announcing as many steps as we can in the coming weeks."

Global oil prices have been rising sharply because of stronger demand from the United States, India and China and worries about supply disruptions from Iran. There are rising tensions between the major OPEC producer and western nations over the aims of its nuclear program.

That has caused pain at the pump for Americans, who have now endured more than a month of gasoline price rises, and sparked fears that prices could rise even further, from an average cost of $3.74 a gallon now to up to $5 this summer.

"Anyone who tells you we can drill our way out of this problem doesn't know what they're talking about, or isn't telling you the truth," Obama said, hitting back at criticism from the campaign trail and from Republicans in Congress.

ROMNEY SAYS OBAMA TO BLAME

But Republicans say the president has hobbled domestic oil exploration and dismiss his administration's observation that U.S. oil output is at a record high, arguing this was thanks to the action of his Republican predecessor, George W. Bush.

Romney, speaking in Fargo, North Dakota, accused Obama of trying to "blow one past folks" with his argument about increased domestic production, and said the administration does not deserve credit for that.

"Far from taking credit, he should be hanging his head and taking a little bit of the blame for what's going on today," Romney said.

In a recent national poll, Americans spread the blame for rising gas prices broadly, citing a host of factors including the Obama administration, Congress, politics in general, and unrest in the Middle East.

The poll by the Pew Research Center and The Washington Post found 18 percent of those surveyed said Obama was to blame, while 14 percent blamed oil companies or domestic producers. Twenty-four percent said they did not know.

The survey was conducted over the phone from February 23-26 among 1,005 adults.

Speaking at a community college in Nashua, Obama pushed again for Congress to repeal $4 billion in subsidies to the oil industry, calling it a "giveaway" that should be redirected to bolster alternative energy sources, including wind, solar and batter power.

Obama has targeted the oil and gas industry in populist speeches in which he portrays himself as the defender of Americans against huge energy corporations "making record profits off us right now."

He dismissed the "phony promises" of his opponents to lower gas prices, and highlighted his administration's investments in clean energy technologies to help reduce the U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

But Obama remains vulnerable to criticism from Republicans for having rejected the Keystone XL pipeline, which was to transport Canadian oil through environmentally sensitive areas of Nebraska on the way to the Gulf of Mexico.

On Monday, the White House said it welcomed a fresh proposal by TransCanada to build a southern leg of the pipeline and refile an application for the northern part of the route, including the U.S.-Canada border crossing.

A number of leading Democrats in Congress have pushed the Obama administration to tap reserve oil supplies, known as the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR), to help bring down gas prices, a move that Republican lawmakers oppose.

The White House has so far avoided commenting on the issue. On Thursday, House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, told reporters it did not appear to him "that the president believes using SPR would have any meaningful effect on gas prices."

Why don't we do x y z:
In short: indirect costs:
Let's use bio ethanol to offset the price of gas!
To make it we use corn
Now we have gas from corn but it took a year or two to convert all the corn over.
In the mean time now there isn't sufficient corn to use as feed for animals
And the costs to feed cows and chickens etc goes up
Which raises prices at the grocery store...

Trickle down effects.
As to solar... You have to consider what goes into the panels. They didn't magically arrive out of nowhere...

Take for example batteries. They have platinum in them. Where are we gonna mine the metal necessary to make more efficient batteries...

And if you wanna make all those solar panels where are you gonna get all
The land. Who are you going to buy or use claim of right against?

Assuming abundant free land what about the copper wiring. Did you know it costs more to make a penny than it is worth due to the amount of metal in it? Think about that and all the people currently stealing power lines for their copper.

And the environmental effects of carving out huge amounts of land and replacing it with acres of solar panels.

And the oils and other products to make the glass and panels? Does that magically come out of nowhere?

Did you also realize a couple of previous prominent solar panel companies have gone out of business in the last few years because it is the technology is not cheap to mass produce?

Of course it would be great to build solar etc. who's willing to pay for it and run it? And if the tech fails?

Originally posted by inimalist
no, you are right, no way for Canadian oil to get into America

Unrelated but I strongly wish the US would get more oil from Canada (safely, of course) and less from pretty much every other nation on that list.

I also wish we would move away from oil because I don't like the pollution it causes.