Drizzt Dourden vs Bruce Wayne

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I strongly disagree with this. Bruenor was capable of blocking a mounted cross bow with magically enhanced speed and overall power after it was fired behind him from couple of feet away. And Drizzt was significantly faster then bruenor before he started were the bracers which magically enhance his speed. He was describe as moving in a blur consistently in combat.

Wulfgar had clear superhuman strength the dude picked up a camel and used it as a weapon by throwing it at his attackers who were several feat away from him. He uses to take full on swings from giants wilding weapons consistently with out going down.

Bruenor was able to tank magically enhanced giants hits with war hammers and keep on coming. He also was able to support 1800 pounds before. The were not inferior to comics streets at all.

And nothing you just mentioned rivals Batman's best feats...

Yeah, I'm with Srank. In order for comic street levels to keep up with metas, high tech and even basic guns, they typically operate on a higher level than heroes based in any medieval/fantasy era.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Since its the second thread with this guy, I'm curious. What is his book about?

if u are even remotely interested in fantasy R.A. Salvatore is a ****ing boss!!

Originally posted by Existere
Yeah, I'm with Srank. In order for comic street levels to keep up with metas, high tech and even basic guns, they typically operate on a higher level than heroes based in any medieval/fantasy era.

I disagree. If you go off just there highest showings yes this could be true, but if you base the comic characters off there consistent betrayals the Salvatore characters are diffidently a match for them.

Oh dear. No, I think I'm staying out of this.

Originally posted by Digi
Oh dear. No, I think I'm staying out of this.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Really seems like you are.

Right ehre trolling. Your trying to pass off a game rules on a fantasy world. That does not work you chump. Thats like argueing marvel universe role play rules in in fight between capt and spiderman. It rediculous.

Accepting what pis? Dude you arguement seems to be falling apart and now your just saying random shit.

When did I once say we are using batman stats from a handbook? When has PIS feats ever been allowed? What are you puffing?

We don't...........

shot yourself in the foot with that one.

Which he always has one, the point is utterly moot. And again he has no armor on his face.

I not ignoring any of these things. I simply said he tanked giants attacks. Which is not inaccurate he does. Your jsut throwing out red herring now.
And trying to argue points I never made

yup your trolling.

You do realize dnd is the world that ra Salvatore's characters exist in right?

And there were lore handbooks that described the history, magical items, skills, etc of the companions... Similar to marvels handbooks on its comic characters... Which give us a relative baseline...

As for being a chump: sticks and stones may break my bones....;-P

Originally posted by rotiart
You do realize dnd is the world that ra Salvatore's characters exist in right?

And there were lore handbooks that described the history, magical items, skills, etc of the companions... Similar to marvels handbooks on its comic characters... Which give us a relative baseline...

As for being a chump: sticks and stones may break my bones....;-P

Actaully these live in forgotten realms which is campaign setting. DnD it self is larger then forgotten realms and had several realms such as dragon lance for one. Also you do understand it a game right and trying to pretend games rules apply to books characters is an absurd argument.

Except just like marvel handbooks there inaccurate and dont mean anything. You understand the marvel hand books are not usable in debates right? Also there not even as good as hand books. it like trying to use Marvel Universe role play game rules in a debate agaianst wolverine vs spiderman. fact you cant see the difference is mind baffling to me.

You are chump, your arguments are down right laughable.

Originally posted by Badabing
You're a mod. Get in there!

Nope. It's just sad to me. "Drizzt is allowed?! Quick, pit him against some obvious fanboy crushes! Now everyone choose a side, since one side is clearly wrong....I SAID NAO!"

I love Drizzt novels. I don't give a **** who he can beat. Some things shouldn't be sullied. Others can have their fun, it would just depress me.

Originally posted by rotiart

Dwarfs in dnd have special defenses against giants.

This is still the dumbest thing anyone has said in this thread.

Originally posted by Digi
Nope. It's just sad to me. "Drizzt is allowed?! Quick, pit him against some obvious fanboy crushes! Now everyone choose a side, since one side is clearly wrong....I SAID NAO!"

I love Drizzt novels. I don't give a **** who he can beat. Some things shouldn't be sullied. Others can have their fun, it would just depress me.

I agree. I wanted him against other fantasy based character because they make good debates. But against people like Batman, people will just throw out batmans most ridiculous feats. Making debate rather stupid.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I disagree. If you go off just there highest showings yes this could be true, but if you base the comic characters off there consistent betrayals the Salvatore characters are diffidently a match for them.

comics lack of consistency makes it hard to debate

I would say average batman would prob lose to drizzt

Originally posted by Starscream M
the thing is there is no reality to comic book characters...ie batman is written to be herald level in some cases (ie fight with grundy)...whereas base batman is peak human

comics lack of consistency makes it hard to debate

I would say average batman would prob lose to drizzt

we don't agree much, but I must say i agree with you here.

Originally posted by Digi
Nope. It's just sad to me. "Drizzt is allowed?! Quick, pit him against some obvious fanboy crushes! Now everyone choose a side, since one side is clearly wrong....I SAID NAO!"

I love Drizzt novels. I don't give a **** who he can beat. Some things shouldn't be sullied. Others can have their fun, it would just depress me.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Actaully these live in forgotten realms which is campaign setting. DnD it self is larger then forgotten realms and had several realms such as dragon lance for one. Also you do understand it a game right and trying to pretend games rules apply to books characters is an absurd argument.

Except just like marvel handbooks there inaccurate and dont mean anything. You understand the marvel hand books are not usable in debates right? Also there not even as good as hand books. it like trying to use Marvel Universe role play game rules in a debate agaianst wolverine vs spiderman. fact you cant see the difference is mind baffling to me.

You are chump, your arguments are down right laughable.

You know that wizards of the coast were going to make Salvatore kill Artemis because they removed the assassin class from the 3rd (every assassin was killed to resurect the dark god Bane)? The only reason Artemis is still around is because Salvatore convinced them that Artemis wasn't an assassin class but a fighter / rogue... He got one level assassin when it returned later as a prestige class.

it's not the same as Marvel and their handbooks, because the novels are companion pieces to the game and not the other way around. When changes are made to the rules those changes are enforced across all of novels. The Orc King for example had a lot in it concerning the 4th edition changes and spell plague.

Originally posted by Existere
lol, that sounds so negative. Drizzt is different than every other fictional character that gets puts through this process?

To be fair, I don't do much on the vs. forums anymore. I stopped caring who wins anything ages ago.

I just got used to thinking about comic characters in this way. But I cringe every time I see Watchmen characters, or Planetary, etc. Basically any character that was created for purposes pretty explicitly outside of "who wins?" type of questions. Drizzt falls into that category for me, despite Salvatore's occasional fan service to this kind of mentality with his characters. The fact that it bridges mediums and universes also makes it tricky, since we know what happens when trying to compare feats from different franchises (see also: books, anime/manga, etc.). Pick any similar character and the outcome is the same: the fans of the character take his/her side, and everyone else sits listening to feats and saying "lulz, doesn't sound more impressive than {lists a dozen feats} that {insert Marvel/DC character} has accomplished." They're fundamentally incompatible.

Just wanted to throw in that the dwarf defense against giants is a dodge bonus.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Just wanted to throw in that the dwarf defense against giants is a dodge bonus.

You definitely right about that.
Plus they have a constitution bonus to health.
And the armor befit a king....

While elves have that dexterity bonus making them more elusive...

Anyways my whole poin is that if we wanna go off what's on panel or narration only? Batman's got feats where he rocks up metallic, dr light, and even draws blood from darkseid with the infamous bat kick...

We've got him battling omacs, aliens, running hundreds or thousands of combat scenarios in his head...

I chose batman for this fight over captain America because of his belt, gear, etc...

Drizzt has fought against waves of orcs like batmans fought against waves of robots aliens and ninjas...

Batman drops a gas pellet on Drizzt and fights over. :-P

Or possibly a flash grenade, as Drizzt early novels I'd show his aversion to sunlight, though I don't know if that trait still exists as most books tend to have him out at night. :-/

Originally posted by Digi
To be fair, I don't do much on the vs. forums anymore. I stopped caring who wins anything ages ago.

I just got used to thinking about comic characters in this way. But I cringe every time I see Watchmen characters, or Planetary, etc. Basically any character that was created for purposes pretty explicitly outside of "who wins?" type of questions. Drizzt falls into that category for me, despite Salvatore's occasional fan service to this kind of mentality with his characters. The fact that it bridges mediums and universes also makes it tricky, since we know what happens when trying to compare feats from different franchises (see also: books, anime/manga, etc.). Pick any similar character and the outcome is the same: the fans of the character take his/her side, and everyone else sits listening to feats and saying "lulz, doesn't sound more impressive than {lists a dozen feats} that {insert Marvel/DC character} has accomplished." They're fundamentally incompatible.

I think you are way of base, Drizzt is the epitome of a "who wins" type of character. Not to knock RA Salvatore but he isn't George RR Martin or China Mieville, he isn't writing plot driven narratives, he is writing character driven narratives. The stories in his Forgotten Realms books are merely a vehicle for the characters he has created, because that's what the fans want, they want to see more of that Drizzt in action. It's the same thing with Batman (and all main stream superheroes). You say that they are fundamentally incompatible, but in my mind they are about as similar as you can get. No one puts down a RA Salvatore books an says "Wow... that was deep, that changes my perception of the world." They say "That had some cool fight scenes in!" and everything RA Salvatore does is to facilitate those fight scenes.

The problem is that he just isn't ever depicted as a threat to Batman.