Mr. Fantastic vs Lady Shiva and Cassandra Cain

No gear, gadgets, or weapons. Straight up hand-to-hand only.

How does Reed fare against these two martial artists?

How exactly do they hurt reed?
Off hand reed has shown off his ability to go "hulk like"
I mean Reed should be able to step all over them without any gear?

Team has absolutely no chance.

Pressure points and body reading + near bullet-time reflexes for the two should give them ample opportunities to test out strikes against him and dodge incoming strikes no?

Originally posted by Glorificus
Pressure points and body reading + near bullet-time reflexes for the two should give them ample opportunities to test out strikes against him and dodge incoming strikes no?

Do pressu points work against Reed? I was under the impression it pin someone of even Karnak level and even then I'm not sure.

Originally posted by rotiart
Do pressu points work against Reed? I was under the impression it pin someone of even Karnak level and even then I'm not sure.

I wasn't sure either, but unless Reed curls up into a ball, then the two are at least fast enough to run circles around him and test out what works and what doesn't, I would think.

Or reed could just suffocate them...

Strange thread. The team really has no chance here.

Originally posted by Glorificus
I wasn't sure either, but unless Reed curls up into a ball, then the two are at least fast enough to run circles around him and test out what works and what doesn't, I would think.

And Reed could stretch his hand out to the size of a pick up to give no space for them to dodge to?

Heck I'd see spiderman with his level of strength having a difficult time with Reed, much less people at peak human level.

I think Cassandra could learn what Reed's most vulnerable point is by watching him, his core, as he did learn to read the shifter Gemini as well.

.... however, I don't think they can do anything about it. His rubbery form'll just shrug whatever.

So what's Reed's general durability level?

From what I've seen of his shapeshifting, he's no Plastic Man.. More akin to Shadow Thief, and Cass was treating her fight with him like an exercise. No trouble at all reading his body, despite it's unconventional shapes.

Originally posted by rotiart
And Reed could stretch his hand out to the size of a pick up to give no space for them to dodge to?

Heck I'd see spiderman with his level of strength having a difficult time with Reed, much less people at peak human level.

I'm not sure..

If Reeds perception and reaction time are > Spidey or Cass. They might be able to just sprint to him before he gets a chance to change his shape in that way.

There's been stories where Cass even had the blur trail being her of a super speedster, knocking bad guys off their feet as she plowed through them.

Reed should destroy them in his sleep. What the hell are "pressure point" strikes gonna do to a guy whose body withstood this :

Wolverine was not holding back that issue either. That was the arc where he ripped Thing's face up with his claws.

Originally posted by zopzop
Reed should destroy them in his sleep. What the hell are "pressure point" strikes gonna do to a guy whose body withstood this :

Er, some context would be nice. Wolverine was trying to get with Reed, thats what he meant be "penetrate".

It takes Hulk to physically beat Reed.

They are fast, that's great, but can they dodge Reed?

the team grts horribly destroyed.

This is a stomp, team has zero chance.

Reed wrecks them

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
It takes Hulk to physically beat Reed.

They are fast, that's great, but can they dodge Reed?

Unless his attacks get too big to dodge, yes.

Originally posted by Q99
Unless his attacks get too big to dodge, yes.

Since he's probably the most intelligent man in comics, do you think he'll try to catch them with only his hands, knowing that he can stretch for multiple square feet?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
........ do you think he'll try to catch them with only his head, knowing that he can stretch for multiple square feet?

Jesus, he's an animal! 🙂