Originally posted by zopzopYour low-balling is borderline laughable. 馃檮
It took 3 Mad Celestials to breakthrough IW's FF. Doom with Aaron the Rogue Watcher's power shattered her FF by himself. I find it hard to believe those "Celestials" are anywhere near their 616 versions in terms of power output.Anyone on Team 1 could wreck them.
Originally posted by zopzop
It took 3 Mad Celestials to breakthrough IW's FF. Doom with Aaron the Rogue Watcher's power shattered her FF by himself. I find it hard to believe those "Celestials" are anywhere near their 616 versions in terms of power output.Anyone on Team 1 could wreck them.
M C are very powerful good friend
Aron the Rogue Watcher was killed by Uatu and we all know Watchers are nothing to the Celestials
Celestials are older as well
Frankie/Big G<Mad Celestials
Give em a lil props
Which is why I said from the onset...Hickman favors neither but is a good storyteller
Originally posted by Galan007
Your low-balling is borderline laughable. 馃檮
What's laughable about it? It took THREE MC to bust through IW's FF. Doom with the power of a Watcher shattered it and wrecked her so badly that for a couple of issues after that event, she was straining to form any FF.
Thing survived a blast from them! 馃檮
Sue's powers are derived from Hyperspace--and as was clarified/depicted in Fantastic Four #400, Celestials are extremely vulnerable to Hyperspace energies. Imo, her construct tanking a blast from a Celestial is no more impressive than a guy with Kryptonite armor tanking a punch from Superman... Unless you think IW is > the entire Council of Reeds (of whom the mad Celestials trounced off-panel.) And if that's the case, our debate is done. 馃檪
And FYI, Hickman isn't going to kill-off one of the main members of the F4 right out of the gate. That's the only way to explain why/how Thing survived a blast from a Galactus-level being.... Unless you think Thing has Galactus-level durability. And if that's the case, our debate is done x2. 馃檪
Originally posted by guy222
Frankie/Big G<Mad CelestialsGive em a lil props
Which is why I said from the onset...Hickman favors neither but is a good storyteller
Galactus was able to defeat one of the Mad Celestials, which means he's definitely on par with them in terms of sheer power; he's equal to at least one Celestial. They were only able to defeat him by combining their efforts and merging into Voltron Super Saiyan Celestial. 馃檪
As for Franklin, don't count him out yet. Even though he generally exhibits the vulnerability of a small child (which is nothing new), Franklin's offensive power is where he excels. It's also important to point out that young Franklin has been holding back at the request of his older self, Future Franklin, who has now returned to finish things.
Originally posted by Galan007
Sue's powers are derived from Hyperspace--and as was clarified/depicted in Fantastic Four #400, Celestials are extremely vulnerable to Hyperspace energies. Imo, her construct tanking a blast from a Celestial is no more impressive than a guy with Kryptonite armor tanking a punch from Superman... Unless you think IW is > the entire Council of Reeds (of whom the mad Celestials trounced off-panel.) And if that's the case, our debate is done. 馃檪
That would explain it if ONE of them was pounding on her force field, but it was THREE of them. Three of them and they didn't even instantly shatter that thing. Freaking WWH did better.
And FYI, Hickman isn't going to kill-off one of the main members of the F4 right out of the gate. That's the only way to explain why/how Thing survived a blast from a Galactus-level being.... Unless you think Thing has Galactus-level durability. And if that's the case, our debate is done x2. 馃檪
Main characters die and are brought back all the time. Thor died like 3 months ago and he's back already. Wasn't Johnny "dead" too? Look at him now.
Originally posted by zopzopThree Supermen trying to bust through a Kryptonite wall, wouldn't do any better than one Superman pounding on the same wall.
That would explain it if ONE of them was pounding on her force field, but it was THREE of them. Three of them and they didn't even instantly shatter that thing. Freaking WWH did better.
Just some food for thought.
Originally posted by zopzopAs you said: Johnny was JUST killed/resurrected. They aren't going to have ANOTHER member of the F4 die so early in the same friggin' arc--that would be laughably ridiculous. So unless you think it is within Thing's standard powerset to tank Galactus-level blasts (lulz), then the aforementioned reasoning is something you'd better start accepting.
Main characters die and are brought back all the time. Thor died like 3 months ago and he's back already. Wasn't Johnny "dead" too? Look at him now.
Originally posted by Galan007
Three Supermen trying to bust through a Kryptonite wall, wouldn't do any better than one Superman pounding on the same wall.Just some food for thought.
As you said: Johnny was JUST killed/resurrected. They aren't going to have ANOTHER member of the F4 die so early in the same friggin' arc--that would be laughably ridiculous. So unless you think it is within Thing's standard powerset to tank Galactus-level blasts (lulz), then the aforementioned reasoning is something you'd better start accepting.
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That's an out-of-universe explanation though. It doesn't count.