Originally posted by ares834
As you said, piercing relies on pressure. Superman's heat vision does no such thing.
Not quite. I said force itself creates pressure. And Superman's heat vision does indeed have concussive showings. Thus it creates force.
True. But how often does Superman sesort to such a tactic? Not often. And since CIS isn't off I just don't see him trying this. At least not right off the bat.
Often enough to know that he can easily do so and thus we have no reason to arbitrarily assume he's going to forget about it.
Where was it stated that CIS isn't off for Superman?
I don't ever buy the 'CIS' excuses anyway. The people fight to the best of their demonstrated ability. That's all. That's the default rule.
This is Superman's fight to lose. He'll have to work for it, but unfortunately for Asura, he doesn't have the durability feats to tank a full powered HV blast.
Originally posted by CosmicCometI don't ever buy the 'CIS' excuses anyway. The people fight to the best of their demonstrated ability. That's all. That's the default rule.
That depends on the the move in question, like spider-man will fight to the best of his ability but he won't snap someones neck. Some tactics do fall outside of their CIS, which is also part of the rules.
Heat vision cutting isn't one of those though, he has cut people plenty of times in non lethal spots to put them down.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Asura's best outright strength feat is pushing up Wyzen's finger a few feet, which was about as wide as a mountain range.Granted, this was early in the game but I don't remember any sort of quantification on how much stronger he could have gotten since then.
Wyzen was resisting, so there a bit more weight (no pun intended) to the feat when a planet sized dude was actively trying to smash him.
He pushed down initially, thought it was over, and then saw that his finger was miraculously being pushed up for a bit. After that, he held it stationary, even while Asura was charging up for a single huge punch.
A punch which I'm still not quite understanding the affects of; it seems like it simply superheated wyzen or something, and then he blew up...or something. But the explosion was also right next to Earth, and it was not destroyed, or seemingly even noticeably damaged at all despite a planet sized object blowing up right next to it. Which suggests that there was some magic element involved in the explosion--and perhaps the attack itself--that kept it from happening.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He pushed down initially, thought it was over, and then saw that his finger was miraculously being pushed up for a bit. After that, he held it stationary, even while Asura was charging up for a single huge punch.A punch which I'm still not quite understanding the affects of; it seems like it simply superheated wyzen or something, and then he blew up...or something. But the explosion was also right next to Earth, and it was not destroyed, or seemingly even noticeably damaged at all despite a planet sized object blowing up right next to it. Which suggests that there was some magic element involved in the explosion--and perhaps the attack itself--that kept it from happening.
You're thinking too logically again 😛
There's nothing that requires heavy thinking to know that a planet sized object blowing up next to a planet is some bad shit bruh.
I'd like to assume Capcom aren't dumb asses, so I'm trying to explain away how that shit is possible.
Because you have to take what the visuals give you for evidence.
Asura clearly didn't simply 'blow up' a planet sized object with force, since there was some energy flow involved over a few seconds, and then we have to wonder how powerful that explosion even was since it didn't do shit to the Earth despite being next to it.
And we know far smaller shit happening on earth, like the Tunguska event or Krakatoa erupting, can cause huge effects over a wide area. So why wouldn't an explosion as big as a planet, right dead next to it, also cause something disastrous to happen? Unless there was, of course, magic involved.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
There's nothing that requires heavy thinking to know that a planet sized object blowing up next to a planet is some bad shit bruh.I'd like to assume Capcom aren't dumb asses, so I'm trying to explain away how that shit is possible.
Because you have to take what the visuals give you for evidence.
Asura clearly didn't simply 'blow up' a planet sized object with force, since there was some energy flow involved over a few seconds, and then we have to wonder how powerful that explosion even was since it didn't do shit to the Earth despite being next to it.
And we know far smaller shit happening on earth, like the Tunguska event or Krakatoa erupting, can cause huge effects over a wide area. So why wouldn't an explosion as big as a planet, right dead next to it, also cause something disastrous to happen? Unless there was, of course, magic involved.
I can all but guarantee that nobody is thinking too deeply about that scene. But if you wanna break it down, Asura pushing the hand was impossible for the simple fact that the ground should've given way under his feet. Two opposing forces can't collide in an infinite stalemate. Something has to give. Not to mention what should've been devastating gravitational affects on Earth from two objects of that mass being in close proximity to one another.
There's some things that get the pass on trope quality.
Such as moving an extremely large object and it still being whole. Asura's feat would fall within the same kind of category.
But, a ****ing explosion, as big as a planet, right next to a damn planet, is not passable under a trope. I just can't rationalize how it could with the lack of examples.
Any idiot, should be able to rationalize how big of an impact that would cause.
Because when things aren't realistic, there is a tendency for the feats themselves become unraveled in impressiveness, depending on the circumstances.