Originally posted by danteiscool
that is true, though he had plenty of room to use when he went LM1 and Rakan really gave him a beating. and I thought Rakan was in the triple mach digits, not double.
When he threw his sword and rode it, that was Mach 3.2.
Double-digit is a high-end here.
Also, when he and lightning-Negi fought, non-uber tier people perceived it as a fight, not just a flash of light in an instant.
and as to that part, Fate did show himself capable of fighting Negi in LM2 so surely he must have speed around that level as well.
Not at all. After all, it is quite possible to fight a faster foe who doesn't think that much faster (it's only in LM2 when his thought-speed is boosted after all, and even then it's hard to say how much) without being near as travel-fast as them. It's not like Negi is like Flash, who lives and reacts at much higher speed, he just has a very high movement speed.
Negi was definitely faster than Fate when they fought. Godel as well, he relied on keeping Negi at a distance. Rakan had no speed problems whatsoever with Fate for that matter. Not once was he implied to be slow for a high-tier.
Tsukuyomi was able to fight with lightning-Negi and she's not faster than Setsuna....
You get the idea.
Rakan used anticipation against LM1 to thump it. While it's harder to do that against LM2, I'd say it's still exactly what was happening. Negi's LM2 thoughts were still in the realm of a high-end fighter to not be helpless against, and he still wasn't moving as fast as a lightning shunpo (which is pretty much the only time he looked to act like lightning) even when in that mode.
that is true. and now that I think of it, Negi was really getting in close when facing Rakan and Fate while in LM2. and for Negi's increased thought speed in LM2, while we may not know how fast it is then, we can assume that it's great enough for him to easily keep ahead of Rakan and others of similar speed. seeing how when Rakan went for a backhand against him in LM2, it seemed to look slow if this was being shown from Negi's point of view at the time. though looking as if it is so and if it's true are two different things...