Plutonian vs Hulk

Originally posted by Horrificus
He allowed his ass to be handed to him. Modeus even states that Tony could kill him at any time if he wanted to.

Unless he weakened his durability (Which I guess while theoretically possible makes little sense), then my point stands. That's not in dispute, he could kill her easily unless she can channel that energy defensively.

Originally posted by Horrificus
With his new-found abilities, intangibility, time travel, quantum entanglement mastery, non-physical manipulation of matter and telepathy, he pretty much has it all.

He has the ability to manipulate matter and the fundamental forces to a certain extent but I don't think he'd necessarily beat Surfer yet, calling him all powerful is a leap. Especially since it's clear he has limitations, at least for now.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He is just learning to use it. And, he continues to evolve.

My personal opinion is that he'll ultimately evolve into a being like his parents, who I'd guess are Watcher level/like characters.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again, you're trying to make it seem more impressive by referencing Galactus.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That being said, it's pretty clear that he has limitations, he can be beaten or stopped, Star level energy being able to bypass his durability dramatically is one example

At any rate, I don't see how Hulk (Destroyer animated or not) could even come close to laying a finger/blast on Tony, tbh..?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I always wondered what someone like him or Ellis would do with the Odin Force, Power Cosmic etc.

"Star-level energy" isn't that impressive, when you're talking about Hulk.

The character's established to be fuelled by a "universe" of energy.

Anyway, Plutonian sounds like a Surfer rip-off, might be interesting to read some irredeemables.

Originally posted by janus77
"Star-level energy" isn't that impressive

Originally posted by janus77
Anyway, Plutonian sounds like a Surfer rip-off, might be interesting to read some irredeemables.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes. It is... If you recall, LT's "ultimate punishment" was star-level energy. ermm13

Originally posted by Galan007
Plutonian is as far from a "Surfer ripoff" that a character can be. Imo, he is quite original.

There's nothing there that Surfer doesn't do, regularly.

Originally posted by janus77
There's nothing there that Surfer doesn't do, regularly.

...But if you're suggesting that he is a "Surfer ripoff" simply because he possesses the ability to manipulate molecules, then that is.... Retarded. none

Plutonian is more of a deconstruction of the Superman/Superhero analogue. Only it turns out his powers are not the atypical Superman. They are psi based. In that sense he reminds me of the Sentry.

If he was a ripoff. Its closer to "the Super-Man" written by Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster.

Originally posted by Existere
Isn't that just a FTL feat? The signal itself was a picosecond in length, but was still traveling at the speed of all other radio signals if I'm reading that right...

It's impressive that Plutonian reacted to an event that occurred within the breadth of a picosecond, but his travel speed wasn't approaching Flash level in that particular feat... I think.

👆

great reaction feat though.

Ok. So the transmission only lasted 1 picosecond, before Plutonian notices, and tracks it down. That's still fairly insane reaction time.

His strength, and durability are off the scale.

Here is a nice durability feat. He is stuck in a prison that holds only the most dangerously powerful criminals. One prisoner is capable of splitting a planet in two. They are able to contain Plutonian, since the prison generates a gravity pull at half the strength of a Black Hole, bearing down the weight of an entire star system.

Plutonian was able to sustain the gravity well, while the others where turned into slush.
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Since the gravity well, failed to restrain him. The Vespa strap him with material cloned from his own skinned, which adopts the same in invulnerable properties as himself. Only to be confined within his own prison, which holds a super dimensional density of half a white dwarf star.

The scary part, the custom prison + custom restraints may hold him down.
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Originally posted by "Id"
Ok. So the transmission only lasted 1 picosecond, before Plutonian notices, and tracks it down. That's still fairly insane reaction time.

That scene also demonstrates Plutonian's ability to accelerate to FTL speeds nigh-instantly, and while still in earth's orbit.

All in all, it is a massively impressive speed feat. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
\ Plutonian is as far from a "Surfer ripoff" that a character can be. Imo, he is quite original.

As far as his powerlevel goes - the actual feats he displayed would basically mean that he'd handle the likes of Surfer, Thor and whomever like toddlers. That is undisputable, even before going into the larger extent of powers he recently developed - but just based on strength, speed, durability etc.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He's essentially a "what if Superman was...?" with an evil twist that deconstructs most of the elements of the Superman mythos - which, given that it's Mark Waid, a massive Superman fan, shouldn't be surprising. I wouldn't call it original, but very good in its execution - a Sentry done right, if you will (though even comparing it to Sentry's downfall is an insult). It has been dragging on for a while though, and I'm sort of glad it's ending in a few issues, without it going on until the concept is completly drained.

As far as his powerlevel goes - the actual feats he displayed would basically mean that he'd handle the likes of Surfer, Thor and whomever like toddlers. That is undisputable, even before going into the larger extent of powers he recently developed - but just based on strength, speed, durability etc.

Originally posted by Galan007
]...But if you're suggesting that he is a "Surfer ripoff" simply because he possesses the ability to manipulate molecules, then that is.... Retarded. none

Originally posted by "Id"
Ok. So the transmission only lasted 1 picosecond, before Plutonian notices, and tracks it down. That's still fairly insane reaction time.

Originally posted by Philosophía
He's essentially a "what if Superman was...?" with an evil twist that deconstructs most of the elements of the Superman mythos - which, given that it's Mark Waid, a massive Superman fan, shouldn't be surprising. I wouldn't call it original, but very good in its execution - a Sentry done right, if you will (though even comparing it to Sentry's downfall is an insult). It has been dragging on for a while though, and I'm sort of glad it's ending in a few issues, without it going on until the concept is completly drained.

Did anybody read Incorruptible?

I've been keeping up with it. It's decent, but it I haven't enjoyed it nearly as much as Irredeemable.

Hulk

Dammit 😂

Originally posted by janus77
"Star-level energy" isn't that impressive, when you're talking about Hulk.

The character's established to be fuelled by a "universe" of energy.

Anyway, Plutonian sounds like a Surfer rip-off, might be interesting to read some irredeemables.

That sounds like you didn't read the series.

A star for every punch isn't that impressive?

Well, reading Irredeemable is definitely different from reading a character who's power levels increase every time a writer is too stupid to write a quality solution to a fight scene.

Originally posted by Existere
😂 Absolutely. 👆 Just making sure I understand what the actual feat there is. I kept up with Irredeemable for like the first three books or something, and enjoyed it well enough, but wasn't engaged enough in the 'evil superman' idea to keep going. I think I'd like to finish it sometime though, maybe just collect the TPB's once it's finished. I really appreciated that the surrounding cast of characters managed to hold interest in their own right, which allowed Plutonian to have some depth beyond being just another Superman clone.

Did anybody read Incorruptible?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Incorruptible is also excellent. Not as big on the kind of action I like reading, but it promises to deliver in the future. Lot's of good stuff getting setup.

Originally posted by Galan007
Irredeemable only has 2 issues left. Incorruptible only has 3. 🙁

Oh well.