Thor and Superman vs Supreme and Black Adam

Originally posted by Stoic
In the letters page Liefeld was asked the question of how well would Supreme of Image Comics hold up in a fight with the X-Men's Colossus, and he stated that [b]"no man of steel could ever compare to Supreme" which was his way of stating that Supreme was written to be superior not only to Colossus, but to Superman as well.

He went on to co launch the title that had Supreme battle Gladiator, and again it stated on panel that Supreme was two times more powerful than Gladiator, which at that time, Gladiator was Superman of another universe.

Among Supreme's feats, there is one that sticks out in my memory, and was told in Supreme issue 1 vol.1. During an off panel battle, Supreme caused a whiteout effect to blanket the Earth, while battling a formidable opponent in deep space. Later on in the series he is seen fighting Image Comics version of Thanos who had these crazy tech shields that allowed for him to remain visible while actually being partially fazed into another dimension (these events take place in issues 4-6). Supreme manages to physically rip through this supposedly impenetrable shield, and crush the Thanos ripoff. However the strain of ripping through this barrier caused his flesh to melt off at a rate that surpassed his regenerative powers (this was a pretty decent willpower, and durability feat for Supreme).

Like I said in an earlier post, I don't believe that Superman, Thor, or Black Adam are two times more powerful than Gladiator. Supreme easily defeated Image Comics version of Thor who appeared to have the same powers as Marvel Comics Thor. This happened twice. In their second battle Supreme soundly defeats Images Thor, and goes on to claim his hammer as his own. Outside of blind loyalty to the characters on Team 1, I just can't see how they would win this. Attached to this is a scan of the Thanos clone. [/B]

Originally posted by country1000
This will be overlooked stoic, it will kill some of them to know that supreme is far above superman and thor.

An interpretation of what one writer said isn't conclusive proof.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Team 1 is obviously the correct answer.

Originally posted by -Pr-
An interpretation of what one writer said isn't conclusive proof.

Originally posted by country1000
Image made it clear that supreme was far above superman, thor and even put him against a thanos like being. Supreme is a direct copy of pre-crisis superman all the way down to copies of krypto and super girl.

And yet as Juntai said:

Originally posted by Juntai
A) Crossovers dont count.
B) Beating rip offs don't count. Superman has defeated a ripoff of Galactus and Watcher in a panel each, in the same issue. He's also completely smashed several clones of Thor, etc.
C) Gladiator is no Superman.

You could take most high heralds and they have high feats that generally put them ahead of the curve.

Feats and fights are proof. Not writer statements (not primary ones anyway).

Especially a writer who doesn't even write the other characters normally.

A writer statment might be taken regarding a run he or she wrote but as a general thing? Unless it is clarification on something ambiguous they wrote in a comic I'd disregard it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
And yet as Juntai said:

You could take most high heralds and they have high feats that generally put them ahead of the curve.

Feats and fights are proof. Not writer statements (not primary ones anyway).

Originally posted by country1000
I am not trying to be funny Pr, but i would be scared to ask someone like Juntai who would win between superman and Classic Beyonder.

I don't see why. And not because I can't guess your reasoning; I just don't agree with it.

??

What I think of Beyonder vs Superman has no bearing on the fact that what I said was true.

Anybody thinking Superman is above or close to Supreme in power is...how can I say it...crazy. Supreme is insane in power and the fights that are being brought up involving Superman defeating Galactus level beings had circumstances involved (I'm pretty sure you are talking about an amped Darkseid). Supreme doesn't have low or medium showings, everything about the character is nothing but high showings.

Supreme could possibly solo this.

Originally posted by country1000
See what i mean.

If you want to get into a feat war contest between everyone present, feel free.

Originally posted by Juntai
??

What I think of Beyonder vs Superman has no bearing on the fact that what I said was true.

Im curious what do you think would happen?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im curious what do you think would happen?

You already know the answer to that question.

superman is the weakest here, team 2 obviously wins.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im curious what do you think would happen?

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
superman is the weakest here, team 2 obviously wins.

Nah. In a pure slugfest, Thor should be.

Team 2 wins.

Originally posted by Juntai
Beyonder wouldn't register him as a threat.

keep it up my friend and you're gonna lose that fanboy rep. fanboy. ermm

Originally posted by carver9
Anybody thinking Superman is above or close to Supreme in power is...how can I say it...crazy. Supreme is insane in power and the fights that are being brought up involving Superman defeating Galactus level beings had circumstances involved (I'm pretty sure you are talking about an amped Darkseid). Supreme doesn't have low or medium showings, everything about the character is nothing but high showings.

Supreme could possibly solo this.

I don't have a facepalm picture big enough to describe my reaction to this post.

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Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't have a facepalm picture big enough to describe my reaction to this post.

i love the supreme love. wonder how many have actually read his entire series.

supreme most CERTAINLY does not solo. 1on2 he gets destroyed.