Superman vs The Plutonian

Originally posted by Horrificus
OK, I removed certain powers that I thought might be similar to Superman's.
I kept the things that seemed to be unique to the Plutonian.

As far as I know, and I may be wrong, Superman does not have the powers and abilities I have listed below:

- Matter Manipulation
- Weaponized use of Quantum Entanglement
- Time Travel
- Psychic Abilities
- Ability to Nullify Fundamental Forces of Nature
- Durability- Subconsciously, mentally controls the density of his own skin and muscle.
- Damage- Subconsciously, he reduces the mass of anything or anyone he is striking, for maximum damage. Does the same to objects he is lifting, so enormous objects do not collapse under their own weight.
- Intangibility- Can alter his own density to allow mass to pass through him.

- Qubit- "Can redefine reality."
- Qubit- "able to alter quantum mechanics with his brain."
- Modeus- "Changing probability"
- Modeus- "Reversing entropy"
- Modeus- "seeing through time"

And, one final ability that I neglected to list before:
Plutonian is now forcing his own evolution.

For example, he does things that just aren't possible with his powerset at its basic idea. He can look across the solar system, and across the universe, and see things happening in real time. Much faster than light travel and hit the retina. He can hear people scream, or Jimmy's watch go off, or Lois' heartbeat, while in deep space where sound doesn't travel.

The Linear Men suggested to a council that Superman's existence and his thoughts and deeds change the courses of time itself.

One only needs to look at Superboy to see how telekenisis is involved in his character set, or alternatively, one of the Supermen alternates from Countdown, where density, flight, etc, are all products of psionic ability.

Post Crisis Superman mentally holds structures together as he lifts them to, as was described early on in the Man of Steel run under Byrne.

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Originally posted by Juntai
Once again nearly all of these have been applied as scientific explanations to what Superman does as well, both in comics, and in discussions on the idea that Superman isn't the toughest brick in the Universe, but it's greatest telepath just using his powers how he understands them.

For example, he does things that just aren't possible with his powerset at its basic idea. He can look across the solar system, and across the universe, and see things happening in real time. Much faster than light travel and hit the retina. He can hear people scream, or Jimmy's watch go off, or Lois' heartbeat, while in deep space where sound doesn't travel.

The Linear Men suggested to a council that Superman's existence and his thoughts and deeds change the courses of time itself.

One only needs to look at Superboy to see how telekenisis is involved in his character set, or alternatively, one of the Supermen alternates from Countdown, where density, flight, etc, are all products of psionic ability.

Post Crisis Superman mentally holds structures together as he lifts them to, as was described early on in the Man of Steel run under Byrne.

And, I understand what you are talking about with Superman, but Plutonian still has powers that Superman doesn't.

With respect to your post, I removed certain powers that may be similar to Superman's. But, I left the powers that Plutonian has, but Superman does not.

- Matter Manipulation
- Weaponized use of Quantum Entanglement
- Time Travel
- Psychic Abilities - mind reading, memory reading, seeing a person's past, effecting a person's mind.
- Damage- Subconsciously, he reduces the mass of anything or anyone he is striking, for maximum damage.
- Intangibility- Can alter his own density to allow mass to pass through him.

- Qubit- "Can redefine reality."
- Qubit- "able to alter quantum mechanics with his brain."
- Modeus- "Changing probability"
- Modeus- "Reversing entropy"
- Modeus- "seeing through time"

Originally posted by Horrificus
But, the problem is that Plutonian's powers have actually been defined. Superman's haven't. It's still a lot of guess-work.

And, I understand what you are talking about with Superman, but Plutonian still has powers that Superman doesn't.

With respect to your post, I removed certain powers that may be similar to Superman's. But, I left the powers that Plutonian has, but Superman does not.

- Matter Manipulation
- Weaponized use of Quantum Entanglement
- Time Travel
- Psychic Abilities - mind reading, memory reading, seeing a person's past, effecting a person's mind.
- Damage- Subconsciously, he reduces the mass of anything or anyone he is striking, for maximum damage.
- Intangibility- Can alter his own density to allow mass to pass through him.

- Qubit- "Can redefine reality."
- Qubit- "able to alter quantum mechanics with his brain."
- Modeus- "Changing probability"
- Modeus- "Reversing entropy"
- Modeus- "seeing through time"

I understand you're suggesting he's in control of these powers- and I'm currently reading the issues [issue 4,] to get a better idea of where he stands against Clark.

People have been debating for many many years that Superman's powerset isn't actually lazers and muscle through photosynthesis, but that he's actually arguably the universes mightiest telepath, through which he has obtained reality control, molecular control, etc. And has even been hinted to in the mainstream comics on a few occasions. But that he displays this by punching things and shooting lasers.

Knowing Waid got butthurt over not being allowed to take over the Superman title, seems like he took this idea of Superman and ran with it.

I'm interested to see how the story goes though, but it sounds like Plutonian is pretty overtly powerful by what you're writing. The first few issues were fantastic - I remember wanting to read it when it came out, but never got around to it. I collected the entire run here. Should I collect, or am I required to collect Max's series too to get the full story, or will I be good with this one?

Plutonain seems vastly more powerful than Superman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Plutonain seems vastly more powerful than Superman.

Originally posted by Juntai
Its a pretty good read so far. Check it out. It's only 37 issues or something.

Originally posted by Galan007
Plutonian.

Plutonian stomps.

Plutonian respect thread needed.

Originally posted by Juntai
I'm interested to see how the story goes though, but it sounds like Plutonian is pretty overtly powerful by what you're writing. The first few issues were fantastic - I remember wanting to read it when it came out, but never got around to it. I collected the entire run here. Should I collect, or am I required to collect Max's series too to get the full story, or will I be good with this one?

Irredeemable #32 & #33 are part of the Redemption crossover with Max's Incorruptible #25 & #26. Other than that, I don't know if Incorruptible directly ties into the events of Irredeemable.