Originally posted by cdtm
Has Wolverine ever actually tried gutting/skewering him, instead of slashing/surface damage?Is his piercing resistance generally better than Namor's?
They'll only write him gutting or stabbing villains, anti heroes or other people with insane healing factors. I'd be shocked if they had him straight up stab Thor in a vital spot.
Actually didn't he stab Spiderman during a training exercise or something? There goes my theory lol.
Originally posted by dmillsOr they'll write him causing mostly superficial damage to characters with great piercing durability (that nobody seems to give them credit for despite their feats) and directly attribute that to their piercing durability in plain English.
They'll only write him gutting or stabbing villains, anti heroes or other people with insane healing factors. I'd be shocked if they had him straight up stab Thor in a vital spot.Actually didn't he stab Spiderman during a training exercise or something? There goes my theory lol.
I mean... granted, we've never seen this happen on-panel... sneer
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or they'll write him causing mostly superficial damage to characters with great piercing durability (that nobody seems to give them credit for despite their feats) and directly attribute that to their piercing durability in plain English.I mean... granted, we've never seen this happen on-panel... sneer
I see what you did there.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Reliable sources claim that durability doesn't matter against Wolverine. Wolverine will damage Thor just as bad as he would a human.
Or they'll write him causing mostly superficial damage to characters with great piercing durability (that nobody seems to give them credit for despite their feats) and directly attribute that to their piercing durability in plain English.I mean... granted, we've never seen this happen on-panel... sneer
So, I really don't know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Or they'll write him causing mostly superficial damage to characters with great piercing durability (that nobody seems to give them credit for despite their feats) and directly attribute that to their piercing durability in plain English.I mean... granted, we've never seen this happen on-panel... sneer
Now see, that's where you're wrong.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The armor pen of Adamantium creates a more or less equalized damage output regardless of a character's durability, the net result is Wolverine's claws are just as effective on someone like Thor as they are on someone like Punishes. As the durability of the target increases, Wolverine's damage capabilities will stay relatively stable, Iron Fists will start high and decline gradually as the target of the attack's durability increases. On a graph Wolverine's claws would be a straight line across the middle, and the Iron Fist would be a diagonal line that starts at the top of the left side of the graph and declines to the lowest point of the right side, intersecting with Wolverine's line somewhere in the middle.
Originally posted by cdtm
So, was this thread inspired by New Avengers 021, which I just read?
Originally posted by cdtm
It wasn't Wolverine that took out Ragnarok. Like HHH said to Shawn Michaels, he couldn't get the job done. 😛
Actaully there really no reason to assume he could not have gotten the job done sooner or later, he got BFR by Cage being thrown into Ragnarok.
It wasent simply Iron Fist who took out Ragnarok either. it was clearly the accumulation of damage that was done.
Originally posted by cdtm
I'm voting for the Fist.
Depends on the character they are attacking. Each is better suited against different characters.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
[B]If it is thats kinda foolish.
Why?
Actaully there really no reason to assume he could not have gotten the job done sooner or later, he got BFR by Cage being thrown into Ragnarok.
Ragnarok was set to hit Logan with a big hammer shot. Cage saved him, not Ragnarok. And Logan looked in pretty bad shape, as Spidey noted, so I doubt he could have lasted much longer.
It wasent simply Iron Fist who took out Ragnarok either. it was clearly the accumulation of damage that was done.
Yes, Wolverine and Cage got in their licks. But Ragnarok basically shrugged their attacks off, and didn't seem heavily injured. Wolverine even stabbed him in the throat, and it didn't seem to register, and after all of Logans stabs, Cage's attack didn't even slow him down.
You could argue Danny's finishing blow wouldn't have knocked Ragnarok out if he wasn't softened up first, but his attack was the most devastating. Just like Supermans attack on Earthman was impressive, despite the Legion getting in their shots first.
Wolverine was fine. He was in a berserker rage, his uniform was torn and he was literally on fire... but none of that is a big deal, certainly nothing that indicates he was any where near on the verge of being incapacitated. He still had the wherewithal to engage an airborne target in melee combat and go shot for shot, without falling to earth... which is impressive. If Luke hadn't BFR'd Wolverine he could have very well finished Ragnarok off... but will never know.
Also Danny didn't one shot Clor. Ragnarok uses a lightening strike after getting hit, as seen from the perspective of the Dark Avengers, so there is some off panel combat we aren't privy too.
There is also the fact that he got slingshotted into charging Clor by Spider-man, which would substantial increase the damage quotient.
Originally posted by cdtm
Why?Ragnarok was set to hit Logan with a big hammer shot. Cage saved him, not Ragnarok. And Logan looked in pretty bad shape, as Spidey noted, so I doubt he could have lasted much longer.
Yes, Wolverine and Cage got in their licks. But Ragnarok basically shrugged their attacks off, and didn't seem heavily injured. Wolverine even stabbed him in the throat, and it didn't seem to register, and after all of Logans stabs, Cage's attack didn't even slow him down.
You could argue Danny's finishing blow wouldn't have knocked Ragnarok out if he wasn't softened up first, but his attack was the most devastating. Just like Supermans attack on Earthman was impressive, despite the Legion getting in their shots first.
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Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine was fine. He was in a berserker rage, his uniform was torn and he was literally on fire... but none of that is a big deal, certainly nothing that indicates he was any where near on the verge of being incapacitated. He still had the wherewithal to engage an airborne target in melee combat and go shot for shot, without falling to earth... which is impressive. If Luke hadn't BFR'd Wolverine he could have very well finished Ragnarok off... but will never know.Also Danny didn't one shot Clor. Ragnarok uses a lightening strike after getting hit, as seen from the perspective of the Dark Avengers, so there is some off panel combat we aren't privy too.
There is also the fact that he got slingshotted into charging Clor by Spider-man, which would substantial increase the damage quotient.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThis is, quite frankly, stupid. It really just is.
Wolverine was fine. He was in a berserker rage, his uniform was torn and he was literally on fire... but none of that is a big deal, certainly nothing that indicates he was any where near on the verge of being incapacitated. He still had the wherewithal to engage an airborne target in melee combat and go shot for shot, without falling to earth... which is impressive. If Luke hadn't BFR'd Wolverine he could have very well finished Ragnarok off... but will never know.Also Danny didn't one shot Clor. Ragnarok uses a lightening strike after getting hit, as seen from the perspective of the Dark Avengers, so there is some off panel combat we aren't privy too.
There is also the fact that he got slingshotted into charging Clor by Spider-man, which would substantial increase the damage quotient.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is, quite frankly, stupid. It really just is.
What a scathing and thought provoking retort. On point again Dumb, touche!dur
But thanks for taking a break from jerking off to Iron Fist back issues long enough to contribute! You're a real special guy. We all think your great. Now you can get back to spanking it. 😎
Originally posted by srankmissingninIt really was stupid. And it's pretty obvious.
What a scathing and thought provoking retort. On point again Dumb, touche!durBut thanks for taking a break from jerking off to Iron Fist back issues long enough to contribute! You're a real special guy. We all think your great. Now you can get back to spanking it. 😎
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It really was stupid. And it's pretty obvious.
I'm sorry, maybe I should mimic your standard addlepated response?
"One time Iron Fist punched a train, and this other time he punched a helicarrier! He is the best ever!"
It's almost amusing that someone who spends the brunt of his time trying to discredit the overwhelming majority of Wolverine feats and coming up with flimsy reasons to ignore the hundreds of times Wolverine has gone to war with class 100 bricks... has no trouble gauging Iron Fist's power off of two minority examples. It's almost like you are biased douche-bag who is incapable of forming an impartial thought? But that can't be right... no wait, it is.
They only way Iron Fist stacks up to Wolverine is if you ignore the way Wolverine is portrayed 99% of the time in favor of the bottom of the barrel 1% where Ennis Punisher is parking steam rollers on his back, while at the same time you are also ignoring how Iron Fist is portrayed 99% in favor the top %1 of his feats. Unfortunately for us you have no problem doing that... because you are an assh@le.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is, quite frankly, stupid. It really just is.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What a scathing and thought provoking retort. On point again Dumb, touche!durBut thanks for taking a break from jerking off to Iron Fist back issues long enough to contribute! You're a real special guy. We all think your great. Now you can get back to spanking it. 😎
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wolverine hasn't "gone to war" with hundreds of Thor/Hulk level bricks.....stop lying.
Awww yeah baby here we go!