Sora (KHII) vs Kratos (GoWIII)

Started by NemeBro17 pages
Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
sora is clearly not in the GoW universe.

Obviously not. Kratos or the gods would have made short work out of him.

and is shown visiting VERY different worlds

Irrelevant to anything I said.

what part of this needs validating? 😐

You're not very smart, are you?

You're making the assumption that gravity works differently in the two verses.

Prove this please.

Your argument relies on assuming Sora is stronger "jus' cuz" rather than any form of objective comparison between the two characters, or attempt to quantify the various feats.

i don't need to prove how fast those lasers were as i've said

Oh no, you seriously do. I have already proved in the past that Zeus's lightning has a mach 3,048 showing, and CosmicComet provided similar (Though somewhat lesser IIRC) numbers once.

the sheer number requires amazing reaction speed

A. You don't know how fast they are.

B. You don't know how many there are.

C. Sora was blocking multiple orbs with single swings.

You have proved nothing, least of all that Sora's reaction-time is better than Kratos's.

kratos was never seen completely overpowering the hell out of any titan. if thats the case he'd just suplex cronos on his face 😬

No but he has overpowered beings who overpowered Titans.

Are you getting how this works yet?

couldve swore i said.

come a little harder bro

thanks for playing

And quantifiably Kratos's feat against Cronos's hand makes him 45,000 times stronger than Sora's best strength feat (The building tennis). 🙂

I accept your concession, because it is clear that you have no argument. You are laughable, anyone who matters can clearly look at this little "debate" and tell that I have won, easily at that.

My number was like mach 5000 iirc actually. lol.

you do realise were talking about gravity of planets which i why i said sora is shown visiting VERY different planets thus measuring his strength in impossible since hes shown fighting on different planets...how could you not get that?
when did I say sora was stronger?
again kratos dodged one (VG) lightning strike. stop applying our lightning speed to GoW universe.

as ive said 3 times now the speed of those lasers are irrelevant since the sheer number requires amazing reaction & movement speed
and what does the amount of swings have to do with anything? 😐
but kratos himself didn't overpower any titans DERP DERP DERP 😆 so kratos slightly pushed a hand up whoopie... again 😐
all you've done is applied ABC logic to kratos strength & downplayed sora laser blocking speed. 😐 if thats winning then you're charlie sheen 😂

your argument "kratos stronger he smash sora & block VG sky bolts he fast"

but sora teleports. flys. can react to multiple targets from multiple angles, shoots beam from his blade

Kratos isn't even faster than bullet speed. Sora destroys him.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
you do realise were talking about gravity of planets which i why i said sora is shown visiting VERY different planets thus measuring his strength in impossible since hes shown fighting on different planets...how could you not get that?

All you're really trying to say is that Sora's strength feats are inherently not quantifiable then.

Well Jesus, that only hurts your argument.

But no, if these planets had different gravity from one another, his jumping ability would be impeded or enhanced depending on the planet. This is not the case, except in Atlantis, for obvious reasons.

when did I say sora was stronger?

I am speaking of "strength" in a general term, rather than physical power.

You did say that Sora's physical strength is equal to Kratos's though. Which is incorrect.

again kratos dodged one (VG) lightning strike. stop applying our lightning speed to GoW universe.

The lightning has been quantified. Mach 3,000+ and mach 5,000+, both figures actually being possible with IRL lightning speeds (The speed of lightning isn't even consistent IRL, it can vary from like mach 170 to well over mach 6,000).

I don't think you really realise how fast mach 3,000 and mach 5,000 are.

as ive said 3 times now the speed of those lasers are irrelevant since the sheer number requires amazing reaction & movement speed

I am afraid you are factually incorrect.

What is more impressive?

Blocking 100 attacks that travel at mach 1, or blocking 100 attacks that travel at mach 5,000? The answer is the latter, in fact the latter is five thousand times more impressive than the former. Actually, to be blunt, blocking a single mach 5,000 attack is more impressive than a hundred mach 1 attacks.

You do need the speed of the energy bawls. You can't even prove they are mach 1, I gave you mach 1 in this example as a gift. Thank me.

and what does the amount of swings have to do with anything? 😐

This is basic physics.

If he deflected multiple balls with single swings of his Keyblade (And he clearly did by the way), then he is swinging his Keyblade less often in that period of time than he would be if he made a swing for each ball. Or to put it another way, his Keyblade is ultimately traveling less distance in that scenario than it theoretically could be. Speed is measured by distance divided by time. Ergo, since his Keyblade is traveling less distance in the alotted time than it potentially could, it is slower.

but kratos himself didn't overpower any titans DERP DERP
DERP 😆

He just sort of overpowered people who did.

Please don't try to act condescending towards me. I am much smarter than you.

so kratos slightly pushed a hand up whoopie... again 😐

Yes, a feat that is quantifiably better than any of Sora's.

Stop whining.

all you've done is applied ABC logic to kratos strength

Which is logical.

Doomsday hasn't lifted as much as Superman has in his career, yet he has overpowered Superman, so we know that Doomsday is stronger.

If you are more knowledgable in Marvel, use Thanos as the example then, who has overpowered guys like Thor, Silver Surfer, and Hulk.

& downplayed sora laser blocking speed. 😐

Well no, I just addressed why it is not quantifiably as great as Kratos's lightning blocking and dodging.

Sora is fast, IIRC the Sephiroth figures put him at about mach 14ish, but he doesn't approach Kratos's reaction-time.

if thats winning then you're charlie sheen 😂

Leave Charlie Sheen out of this.

your argument "kratos stronger he smash sora & block VG sky bolts he fast"

Stop whining.

but sora teleports. flys. can react to multiple targets from multiple angles, shoots beam from his blade

Sure, that is all true.

But Kratos is stronger, more durable, has higher reaction-time, and is the better fighter, which is why he wins.

And don't be disingenuous, Sora will fight Kratos in melee, his ranged showings are few and far between, and fairly minor regardless.

I find it hilarious that you accuse me of downplaying when you have done nothing but offhandedly dismiss Kratos's feats and showings, while riding on Sora's own lesser, and often not quantifiable showings, relying solely on your own personal, subjective interpretation of KH and GoW as opposed to objective facts. Your argument is nonexistent, you have yet to make a single worthwhile point in this entire thread, and you're frankly trolling at this point.

You are laughable, save yourself some small measure of dignity and leave.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
you do realise were talking about gravity of planets which i why i said sora is shown visiting VERY different planets thus measuring his strength in impossible since hes shown fighting on different planets...how could you not get that?
when did I say sora was stronger?
again kratos dodged one (VG) lightning strike. stop applying our lightning speed to GoW universe.

as ive said 3 times now the speed of those lasers are irrelevant since the sheer number requires amazing reaction & movement speed
and what does the amount of swings have to do with anything? 😐
but kratos himself didn't overpower any titans DERP DERP DERP 😆 so kratos slightly pushed a hand up whoopie... again 😐
all you've done is applied ABC logic to kratos strength & downplayed sora laser blocking speed. 😐 if thats winning then you're charlie sheen 😂

your argument "kratos stronger he smash sora & block VG sky bolts he fast"

but sora teleports. flys. can react to multiple targets from multiple angles, shoots beam from his blade

1. all the planets execept for the the world that never existed followed the same physics our world has shown. I.E what goes up comes down. The same with God of War.

2. Saying stop applying lighnting speed to God of War isn't an counter.

3. yes to block those lazers(they are not lazers their Xemnas Ethernal Blades) requires great speed. Unfortunately we have no clue how fast they are going.

4. I guess you weren't paying attention to Chains of Olympus where Kratos binded Altas hands, the same atlas that holds up the earths crust. I guess you forgot the part where Kratos later resisted being crushed by atlas. I bet you forgot how Kratos stopped Kronus hand which was coming down at full force. But that's ok I sometimes forget important plot details too.

5. Nemebro was using something callled Power scalling, look it up.

6. Sora had help from rikku.

7. I give you that one.

It's not even powerscaling.

It is so much simpler and more reliable than that.

Kratos is stronger than x who can overpower y, therefore Kratos can overpower y.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Kratos isn't even faster than bullet speed. Sora destroys him.

👆

It only makes perfect sense.

Screw bullet-speed lasers and Light-speed Lightning. Amaterasu comes in and solos both GoW and KH. awesome

Im going to pretend i didn't see someone say KH worlds had the same laws of physics as ours 😂

saying stop applying our lightning speed to GoW lightning is a counter seeing as you haven't timed its speed yet claim to know it 😐
but keep telling me i don't know the speed of xemnas bullet beams or whatever they are even though ive said 4 times now the sheer number requires amazing reaction speed 😐

and ABC logic is still ABC logic

kratos overpowered gods who overpowered titans but didn't overpower not one titan other than simple hand or finger pushing 😐
see why your ABC logic fails?

even better sora can react to multiple bolts from multiple angles & not even bump into rikku who was doing the same 😂 that takes skill

has anybody measured the speed of the lightning kratos blocked/dodged?

has anybody counted the amount of bolts sora blocked?
or measured the speed of them?

nope, nope, & nope

not like sora needs to even get close to kratos anyway seeing as he flys, teleports, & slices buildings in half like butter.

you know how much of a reach his blade must have to slices through that?

3:00 impossible speeds 😂 3 separate slices that quick ✅
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Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Im going to pretend i didn't see someone say KH worlds had the same laws of physics as ours 😂

saying stop applying our lightning speed to GoW lightning is a counter seeing as you haven't timed its speed yet claim to know it 😐
but keep telling me i don't know the speed of xemnas bullet beams or whatever they are even though ive said 4 times now the sheer number requires amazing reaction speed 😐

and ABC logic is still ABC logic

kratos overpowered gods who overpowered titans but didn't overpower not one titan other than simple hand or finger pushing 😐
see why your ABC logic fails?

even better sora can react to multiple bolts from multiple angles & not even bump into rikku who was doing the same 😂 that takes skill

Ignoring my point isn't going to make it go away. Concession accepted. KH's world's are still bounded by the same physics of our world. The only exception is the world that never was.

2. Its lightning.

3. I give you the benifet that the Bolts are faster than bullets(especially Xig's) other than that you have to give a definetive speed to them.

4. Did You just ignore the two examples I gave to you? Kratos physically binded Atlas's arms to the earth's crust and Stomped Cronus from trying to crush him when he slammed down on him

5. Power Scalling therefore he can.

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 KH based upon our same laws?
people shooting fire out of swords running up the side of buildings common where you live.

I actually thought about putting you on ignore after that retard moment 😆

its VG lightning that you haven't measured only applied our universes lightning to... DERP DERP DERP

so i have to measure the speed of the bolts but you don't have to measure the lightning shown in GoW DERP DERP DERP?

how did I ignore those? i didn't that post :]
vid please so i can see through my special eyes and give it my analysis

ABC logic is ABC logic

0mega, you probably shouldn't use the word "retard" lightly. On the internet or otherwise, as some people might get offended.

As for the thread, Sora's not likely to win. This is coming from one of the bigger(if not biggest) KH fanbois on this forum. And while I don't think Kratos wins this "easily" it probably won't be too far in the difficult side either.

thats your opinion...

mines is sora takes this easily.

since kratos will never touch him

Sora has never shown himself to be untouchable by any means for all his speed. Kratos reacted to lighting in what I assume is a cutscene here:

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I'm just going to assume this was serious, just in case someone else mistakes it and parrots this statement in the future.

Nope, that's not what happened:



He started flipping back before it ever touched down.

edit: and um. yes. kratos is far more skilled than sora. the blades of chaos are an impossible weapon to realistically wield, yet kratos can do so easily, without ever harming himself.

Sora is fast to be sure but Kratos is not slow by any means. And, unlike Kratos, Sora lack sufficient durability feats that I can recall at the moment. Meaning it really should only take about one hit for Kratos to win, while Sora will have to hit Kratos a few more times than that.

hm...

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
3:00 impossible speeds 😂 3 separate slices that quick ✅
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sora would have no problem hitting kratos after his initial dodge seeing as he teleports and delivered 3 different strikes to that building without you even see him change direction 😆