Originally posted by The SorrowHulk was amped and Thor still won. Thor didn't even take him on one on one. I guess none of that counts. If you missed it Thor still won.
Well Fear Itself showed that Thor isn't on Hulk's level in terms of physicality, not anymore at least. Some of the numbers that have been passed around in this thread have been pretty silly though.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk was amped and Thor still won. Thor didn't even take him on one on one. I guess none of that counts. If you missed it Thor still won.
Originally posted by carver9Great showing for Thor since he beat an amped Thing and an amped Hulk.
Great showing for Thor even though his physical attacks did NOTHING to Nul and Thor was trying to kill him.
Originally posted by The SorrowThor also was fatigued and had to take on two amped opponents. Thor still prevailed.
Sure but it's a level he can reach and surpass all by himself. Well if you class knocking someone away as winning then yeah Thor won but I was referring to the physical aspect of their fight. Thor's blows did little more than anger Hulk whereas in the past that same assault would have had a more telling effect on the fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk was amped and Thor still won. Thor didn't even take him on one on one. I guess none of that counts. If you missed it Thor still won.
Thor defeated a Serpent possessed Hulk, Banner was no more in the drivers seat than Cain was in the drivers seat. They were both spiritually bound up. Knowing this little tidbit makes the so called amplification speculative, in terms of the Hulk's dynamic strength amplifications. So while the Hulk did posses a mystical hammer, this does not mean that he possessed anywhere close to the strength that he had during his Dark Dimension serenade with Betty. For all we know, he may have been as powerful as the Merged Hulk, while having a hammer.
After all it's never been the body but the mind within that boosted the Hulks strength. The Serpent was clearly calling the shots.
Originally posted by Newjak
Why is that such a problem to believe that Hulk can have that low of a level?It is built into the character. I mean he has had problems before with Abom, thing, Rhino. People who are clearly on the lower end of the brick totem pole. It's a fundamental part of the character that his strength is dynamic. Even if you want to assume he starts of on average high how much average higher is he in Namor/Black Bolt strength range normally cause that is still a fairly large gap till you get to the high end tier.
It's not like we are talking about the range of Hulk being 100s or even thousands of tons. We are talking high end Hulk vs mid range hulk we are talking extremely large gaps of power, which still leaves to extremely large range in which a person can fall into.
Hulk getting koed by Captain America or choked out by a snake via your logic would necessitate him operating at barely even superhuman levels (no more than a class 10). This is absurd since from the vast majority of history, we know that Hulk most of the time starts out at quite high levels (mid range-upper range brick) immediately after the transformation and then grows from there. Hence it is a low showing nothing more.Hulk has low showings in fights just like any other characters. However there is nothing in Hulks characterization or powerset which suggests that he can start out superweak or superstrong so your rationalization fails. In Hulks case thats not what dynamic means. Dynamic means that while he starts within a certain superstrong range (Namor etc) he can get stronger the angrier he gets. Your logic fails even worse because you have tried to apply it to professor hulk as well who is a hulk that has quite a stable strength level
Im not even arguing in favor of high end Hulk, im simply refuting your rationalization through which you are trying to suggest a possible out of the norm Hulk using low showings that contradict the vast majority of his history
Originally posted by StoicHulk was amped. Thing was amped. Thor still won. That's the bottom line. You can pretend Hulk wasn't amped and that he didn't have an amped friend at his side if it helps you sleep at night.
Thor defeated a Serpent possessed Hulk, Banner was no more in the drivers seat than Cain was in the drivers seat. They were both spiritually bound up. Knowing this little tidbit makes the so called amplification speculative, in terms of the Hulk's dynamic strength amplifications. So while the Hulk did posses a mystical hammer, this does not mean that he possessed anywhere close to the strength that he had during his Dark Dimension serenade with Betty. For all we know, he may have been as powerful as the Merged Hulk, while having a hammer.After all it's never been the body but the mind within that boosted the Hulks strength. The Serpent was clearly calling the shots.
Originally posted by h1a8I never said Thor was stronger. Thor's more powerful while Hulk's stronger and bfr is a win on kmc. Guess where we are right now---kmc.
Thor winning by bfr doesn't mean he was stronger.WBH stomps Thor here.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk was amped. Thing was amped. Thor still won. That's the bottom line. You can pretend Hulk wasn't amped and that he didn't have an amped friend at his side if it helps you sleep at night.I never said Thor was stronger. Thor's more powerful while Hulk's stronger and bfr is a win on kmc. Guess where we are right now---kmc.
Amped because of the weapon, I never denied this but being able to increase his strength no. He might as well have been named the Incredible Serpent, because Banner wasn't the dominant soul in control of the Hulks body, just like Cain wasn't. Never forget context, or your posts become grimy and slimy.
Originally posted by quanchi112bfr is not allowed in this thread so it is irrelevant. Thor doesn't have more power output than WBH.
Hulk was amped. Thing was amped. Thor still won. That's the bottom line. You can pretend Hulk wasn't amped and that he didn't have an amped friend at his side if it helps you sleep at night.I never said Thor was stronger. Thor's more powerful while Hulk's stronger and bfr is a win on kmc. Guess where we are right now---kmc.
Originally posted by quanchi112I never said Thor was stronger. Thor's more powerful while Hulk's stronger and bfr is a win on kmc. Guess where we are right now---kmc.
I can agree with this. I would say Thor is overall more powerful if you add the God Blast than Hulk and I would give Hulk the edge durability and strength wise.
BFR is a win but Thor really didn't have a choice because his other attacks did nothing to the Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9He knocked hulk off a building and hulk was showing clear signs of pain. Not to mention the blood and cuts and all.
I can agree with this. I would say Thor is overall more powerful if you add the God Blast than Hulk and I would give Hulk the edge durability and strength wise.BFR is a win but Thor really didn't have a choice because his other attacks did nothing to the Hulk.
Originally posted by Damborgson
He knocked hulk off a building and hulk was showing clear signs of pain. Not to mention the blood and cuts and all.
I never said Thor couldn't lift Hulk...he didn't do any lasting damage...looked like he hurt himself more than Hulk since Hulk bounced back up in less than a panel while Thor was on the ground huffing.
Uuuummm, from Hulks appearances during fear itself, cutting and bruising Hulk wasn't the issue, that was done quite easily...keeping him down was the hard part and everyone failed at doing this.