Originally posted by Starscream M
stop shirking your duty...I was trying to be a good samaratan and cover for you, but now it's on you.
😂
well, not sure i can provide the same level of insight as you can, but i guess i can take up the reins again. you're prodding is annoying though, and actually makes me want to put off my vote until....i don't know, maybe next week sometime? i'll see how much time i get this weekend. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidaswell, maybe I wouldn't have to prod if you had you know....done your job
😂well, not sure i can provide the same level of insight as you can, but i guess i can take up the reins again. you're prodding is annoying though, and actually makes me want to put off my vote until....i don't know, maybe next week sometime? i'll see how much time i get this weekend. 🙂
as it is, your vote seems to be the sole judge vote and it will determine the victor...so I look forward to reading your final opinion
Well, this BZ kind of fell apart after the opening posts. I would have liked to see a full debate but Dum Dum went MIA. 😬
The tough part about judging this sort of debate is that I have to forget everything I know about the characters and rely on the debaters.
The MA skills debate was a wash imo. They are both high end in MA skills.
The speed edge goes to Wolverine. But I don't think it's a deciding factor since Batman has displayed enough skill and had gadgets to even the field.
When I finished reading Dum Dum's posts I had him winning. I think he countered Letters' intial posts with scans and commentary. And half of Letters' scans were too small to read. Again, I have to forget everything I know about the characters and base a decision off the debate.
But then Letters comes back with 11 posts which went without a counter argument from Dum Dum. I can't really ignore that fact.
My decision goes to Letters based on Dum Dum not rebutting 11 posts. Not a great way to win, but a win is a win I guess.
Originally posted by Starscream M
well, maybe I wouldn't have to prod if you had you know....done your jobas it is, your vote seems to be the sole judge vote and it will determine the victor...so I look forward to reading your final opinion
well (A) you're not involved, so i have no idea why you care or why you think your 'prodding' will have any meaning.
(b) i signed on voluntarily, to judge when time for ME permits. i fit this around MY schedule. i've judged enough and competed enough to know that rule quite well. i've waited a lot longer then this for judges votes to come in.
and (c) for future reference--prodding leads to a LESSER willingness to do....whatever you want me to do. 😐
that said, i too vote LETTERS.
this was weird for me. all that discussion about top 10 ma's was....a useless waste of words imo. this wasn't going to be won on h2h skill. if it got to that point, bats would lose.
this came down to logan's hf vs bat's gear and his ability to temporarily incapacitate logan long enough to constitute a forum win.
dum relied on the old--logan runs through everything bats can throw at him and cuts him up. the non-rebutted portion from letters showed a lot of tech/gear that would make this very difficult though. a combo of gas/explosives and particularly the foam (which really went uncontested as standard) made me think this combo would work to incapacitate logan long enough to give bats the win here.
perhaps with further debating, dum could have convinced me. as it was, there was a lot of wasted words imo on an area that didn't mean particularly much. i needed to see more ways logan could counter the tech, and less how he could beat bats (which was evident) if it came to straight h2h. for letters parts, i think he could have focused much MORE on the tech side, since i think that is the only real way bats had a chance. as it was, he did just enough to earn my vote.
this could have been an epic bz, but..... it was what it was and i don't think it was necessarily indicative of the way another bz might go between these 2 characters. :/
Cool. Thanks to all the judges for taking the time and also be serious about it. I had a lot of fun compiling and researching the info, I also tried to keep it as truthful as possible and even conceded points when proven wrong.
Its a shame Dum Dum wasn't. Able to continue for whatever reason. It may have been a weird way to win, but then again if there was a problem with my argument Dum Dum should have been able to easily address it.
I am very impressed with the non biased judges and it really shows a lot about your character.
Even if Batman may not defeat Wolverine every time, to prove it he needs a better lawyer to take on Letters- The Master of Words lol 🙂
Originally posted by Letters
Cool. Thanks to all the judges for taking the time and also be serious about it. I had a lot of fun compiling and researching the info, I also tried to keep it as truthful as possible and even conceded points when proven wrong.Its a shame Dum Dum wasn't. Able to continue for whatever reason. It may have been a weird way to win, but then again if there was a problem with my argument Dum Dum should have been able to easily address it.
I am very impressed with the non biased judges and it really shows a lot about your character.
Even if Batman may not defeat Wolverine every time, to prove it he needs a better lawyer to take on Letters- The Master of Words lol 🙂
Congrats. You should battle for the KMC street level title.
Originally posted by BadabingTo me that doesn't matter because letters gave him a chance to extend the deadline. Now look at letters bragging it's official that Batman won over Wolverine. He's bragging he beat dum dum all over the net.
He hasn't been on KMC since his last post. Maybe school, work, pc issues, personal stuff, etc.I would have liked to see the debate go on though.
^ lol
that IS funny. i find it hilarious that he proclaimed it 'official' when really all it was was 2 guys opinions on a debate that really wasn't even completed for whatever reason.
this bz will do nothing to change anyone's mind about the outcome of a battle between these characters, and it certainly doesn't make it 'official' that batman beats logan! lol
the only thing 'official' is that letters beat dum in a debate. that's it.
i mean, congrats letters, but methinks you're putting a little more stock in this thing than is warranted. but.....whatever. have fun with it i guess. 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
^ lolthat IS funny. i find it hilarious that he proclaimed it 'official' when really all it was was 2 guys opinions on a debate that really wasn't even completed for whatever reason.
this bz will do nothing to change anyone's mind about the outcome of a battle between these characters, and it certainly doesn't make it 'official' that batman beats logan! lol
the only thing 'official' is that letters beat dum in a debate. that's it.
i mean, congrats letters, but methinks you're putting a little more stock in this thing than is warranted. but.....whatever. have fun with it i guess. 🙂
Oh I'm milking it for all its worth bro. And I wouldn't sell your opinion short, you and bada and PR are considered to be respected posters on both herochat and KMC.