Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Team 1. WTF at Chaos King or Abraxas soloing.
What do you mean, WTF? Who have Lucifer, Micheal, or Gabriel fought against? Chaos King by himself devoured 98% of the multiverse before he was BFRed into another universe where he finally got his wish.
Abraxas was likewise causing multiversal wide destruction and was only stopped by the UN wielded by Reed Richards (he was so effective with it that he destroyed and recreated the multiverse).
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Isn't Gabriel on Lucifers level? I heard they battled.
Going by narration and such it seems that Gabriel is just slightly less powerful than Lucifer/Michael, but is still greater than everyone else in the universe...
In a flashback in one of the last Lucifer issues we see Gabriel and Lucifer fighting in a big battle, but that's the only time we really see Gabriel fight...
In Hellblazer it was stated that Gabriel would stomp the First of the Fallen in a battle, with John saying "He was never in your league, so I reckon you'll breeze it"
The characters from the Vertigo series aren't meant for typical "battlezone" feats. But given their accomplishments and displays of power and where they stand in the universe, I don't see how Chaos King or Abraxas are soloing anything.
Michael effortlessly dismissed the Spectre twice and his power is described as second only to God. If for some reason Michael does bite the dust here, he undoes all of Creation with him.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The characters from the Vertigo series aren't meant for typical "battlezone" feats. But given their accomplishments and displays of power and where they stand in the universe, I don't see how Chaos King or Abraxas are soloing anything.Michael effortlessly dismissed the Spectre twice and his power is described as second only to God. If for some reason Michael does bite the dust here, he undoes all of Creation with him.
So basically they have zero fighting feats? What are their accomplishments then? Or displays of power?
Regarding Michael and the Spectre : How many people have owned the Spectre? I've lost count.
Originally posted by zopzop
So basically they have zero fighting feats? What are their accomplishments then? Or displays of power?Regarding Michael and the Spectre : How many people have owned the Spectre? I've lost count.
Being second only to God, having the ability to undo Creation, creating multiverses, etc.
If you want to lowball Spectre, go for it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Being second only to God, having the ability to undo Creation, creating multiverses, etc.If you want to lowball Spectre, go for it.
Yeah but that means nothing. Chaos King all by himself DEVOURED 98% of the multiverse with NO SIGNS of slowing down. They only "beat" him by giving him what he wanted.
Michael had to die to create a multiverse and Lucifer DOES NOT have the power to create one on his own (hence why he needed his brother's power by sacrificing his life).
CK owns them. I'm betting Abraxas could too.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah but that means nothing. Chaos King all by himself DEVOURED 98% of the multiverse with NO SIGNS of slowing down. They only "beat" him by giving him what he wanted.Michael had to die to create a multiverse and Lucifer DOES NOT have the power to create one on his own (hence why he needed his brother's power by sacrificing his life).
CK owns them. I'm betting Abraxas could too.
How does being the mightiest being in all of creation second only to its creator mean nothing?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How does being the mightiest being in all of creation second only to its creator mean nothing?
Because DC's "God" is failsauce, that's why. Barring that, Michael's best "feats" were dismissing Spectre (😆 ) and dying in order to create a multiverse. Lucifer's best "feat" is surviving that multiversal blast (which wasn't intended to destroy anything at all but in fact CREATE, so it's debatable as to how impressive standing there was).
CK wtfpwned entire pantheons (including their Skyfathers) and hell realms (including their Hell Lords in their place of power) throughout the universe/multiverse , was beyond Super God Herc (who RESTORED 98% of the multiverse that CK devoured) and his team, devoured/absorbed 98% of the universe/multiverse and was only "beaten" by being given what he wanted.
He absolutely crushes Team 1. Abraxas is more debatable but I think he can do it to.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah but that means nothing. Chaos King all by himself DEVOURED 98% of the multiverse with NO SIGNS of slowing down. They only "beat" him by giving him what he wanted.Michael had to die to create a multiverse and Lucifer DOES NOT have the power to create one on his own (hence why he needed his brother's power by sacrificing his life).
CK owns them. I'm betting Abraxas could too.
No, Michael was dying anyway, but his own power would leak out if he died and destroy everything.
He can use this power whilst alive as welle- as seen when he drove a huge part of Lucifer's army out of heaven in a flashback, and when he was renewing creation instant by instant after the Presence left...
And just because Lucifer can't "create" doesn't mean he doesn't have power. Inside an existing creation Lucifer can do anything, and hell, even in the Void he still retains his power. It's just that to make a kind of "reality" in the Vertigoverse, you need the Dermiugic power.
And to show an example of destructive power, Lucifer caused the Mansions of Silence to collapse simply by walking into that dimension...
Originally posted by zopzop
Because DC's "God" is failsauce, that's why. Barring that, Michael's best "feats" were dismissing Spectre (😆 ) and dying in order to create a multiverse. Lucifer's best "feat" is surviving that multiversal blast (which wasn't intended to destroy anything at all but in fact CREATE, so it's debatable as to how impressive standing there was).CK wtfpwned entire pantheons (including their Skyfathers) and hell realms (including their Hell Lords in their place of power) throughout the universe/multiverse , was beyond Super God Herc (who RESTORED 98% of the multiverse that CK devoured) and his team, devoured/absorbed 98% of the universe/multiverse and was only "beaten" by being given what he wanted.
He absolutely crushes Team 1. Abraxas is more debatable but I think he can do it to.
The Spectre Michael owned >> Marvel skyfathers
To show the difference between the angels and everyone else:
Dream made it abundantly clear that he would have defeated the assembly of gods (along with Chaos/Order lords, demons and others) and that included Skyfathers, and it's been said that Lucifer is FAR more powerful than Dream...
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
No, Michael was dying anyway, but his own power would leak out if he died and destroy everything.He can use this power whilst alive as welle- as seen when he drove a huge part of Lucifer's army out of heaven in a flashback, and when he was renewing creation instant by instant after the Presence left...
And just because Lucifer can't "create" doesn't mean he doesn't have power. Inside an existing creation Lucifer can do anything, and hell, even in the Void he still retains his power. It's just that to make a kind of "reality" in the Vertigoverse, you need the Dermiugic power.
Team Angel's best involves releasing energies from a dying being to create a multiverse and Lucifer being in the middle of all that creative power while it's doing it's thing.
Again, CK owned entire pantheons and hell realms and devoured 98% of the multiverse. So he has both fights and feats to his credit. He was never beaten by being overpowered (though the "good guys" had a Super God capable of restoring 98% of the multiverse on their team) only by being given what he wanted.
CK destroys them.
And to show an example of destructive power, Lucifer caused the Mansions of Silence to collapse simply by walking into that dimension...
Meaningless since Abraxas was causing the ENTIRE MULTIVERSE to collapse just by "walking" between various universes in it. Yet no on on this board gave Abraxas any respect for that. I don't see why Lucifer gets credit while Abraxas doesn't.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
The Spectre Michael owned >> Marvel skyfathersTo show the difference between the angels and everyone else:
Dream made it abundantly clear that he would have defeated the assembly of gods (along with Chaos/Order lords, demons and others) and that included Skyfathers, and it's been said that Lucifer is FAR more powerful than Dream...
It's been said isn't good enough. Did they ever go at it on panel?
And unless I'm mistaken Marvel's skyfathers > DC versions. Odin and Seth by themselves rocked the multiverse, caused long dead galaxies to shatter and ignited dying stars throughout the universe. That's just TWO skyfather level beings fighting.
CK went through entire PANTHEONS like he was eating candy.