Hmmm...
What happens if Thors alpha attack is a huge AoE storm like the one he nuked the hell out of the Thanosi with?
Not many of the characters on the Xmen side can survive that...
The oods just might favor the Xmen as a whole on average, but on the flip side, Thor at x20 strength 1-hit-kills ANYONE on the X-team with the exception of Colossanuat...
Idk...I am conflicted on this...gut is telling me Xmen for a small majority...maybe 6/10.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Kinda surprised people think thor can withstand the combined mental assult of Prof X, Emma, and freaking X-Man!
In B&T, while not in true warrior madness, Moondragon with the mind gem got duped by Thor. The so called madness also made Odin go neener neener
True warrior madness would be Thor going loco and rendering mental assaults next to useless.
In B&T, while not in true warrior madness, Thor went through the infinity watch and Surfer like they were nothing. True warrior madness with the x10 strength boost plus the 2x strength boost from the belt of strength would plus Thor being bonkers, aside from Clossusnaut, and mybe magneto, the entire X-men roster would be dead in an instant.
Colossusnaut also got his bones crushed by a hammer amped creel, imagine what a 20x stronger Thor could do.
Just because there's a whole bunch of them doesnt mean they can take on an amped Thor. Hell, Thor at normal levels could take on this Team, given that he doesn't fight like a retard.
One KRAKABOOOM and Thor need only take on Colossus and Magneto maybe with the rest of the X-men dead.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
In B&T, while not in true warrior madness, Moondragon with the mind gem got duped by Thor. The so called madness also made Odin go neener neenerTrue warrior madness would be Thor going loco and rendering mental assaults next to useless.
In B&T, while not in true warrior madness, Thor went through the infinity watch and Surfer like they were nothing. True warrior madness with the x10 strength boost plus the 2x strength boost from the belt of strength would plus Thor being bonkers, aside from Clossusnaut, and mybe magneto, the entire X-men roster would be dead in an instant.
Colossusnaut also got his bones crushed by a hammer amped creel, imagine what a 20x stronger Thor could do.
Just because there's a whole bunch of them doesnt mean they can take on an amped Thor. Hell, Thor at normal levels could take on this Team, given that he doesn't fight like a retard.
One KRAKABOOOM and Thor need only take on Colossus and Magneto maybe with the rest of the X-men dead.
but x-man is made of pure psionic energy, what would physical strength do to him and iceman? and no way can normal thor take this team.
Originally posted by nwg202
but x-man is made of pure psionic energy, what would physical strength do to him and iceman? and no way can normal thor take this team.
one word "mjolnier", next to batman's utility belt and superman, its the ultimate plot devise. I wouldn't be surprise if it can actually affect psionic energy, well, given that it has already been shown to repel tk attacks from phoenix obviously it can.
and yes, normal thor can take on this team and even take a large majority.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
one word "mjolnier", next to batman's utility belt and superman, its the ultimate plot devise. I wouldn't be surprise if it can actually affect psionic energy, well, given that it has already been shown to repel tk attacks from phoenix obviously it can.and yes, normal thor can take on this team and even take a large majority.
rouge went through normal thor and the avengers.
I'm not saying rouge can take thor head on, but thor by himself struggles against cain and the hulk. You put in shaman x-man who was compared to phoenix powered jean grey, add an avatar of cyttorak, magneto, iceman and rouge with all the others powers, and normal thor can't take this team on. x-man vs thor alone would be a good fight.
mjolnir absorbing nate who was said to rival dark phoenix is debatable at best just like thor being immune to a combined attack of xavier, emma and x-man. it is said to rival the most uncontainable psionic energy on record.
thor absorbing souls is like me saying magik wins every battle by absorbing souls which she has more feats in. ( she obviously can't win every battle absorbing souls)
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
In B&T, while not in true warrior madness, Moondragon with the mind gem got duped by Thor. The so called madness also made Odin go neener neenerTrue warrior madness would be Thor going loco and rendering mental assaults next to useless.
In B&T, while not in true warrior madness, Thor went through the infinity watch and Surfer like they were nothing. True warrior madness with the x10 strength boost plus the 2x strength boost from the belt of strength would plus Thor being bonkers, aside from Clossusnaut, and mybe magneto, the entire X-men roster would be dead in an instant.
Colossusnaut also got his bones crushed by a hammer amped creel, imagine what a 20x stronger Thor could do.
Just because there's a whole bunch of them doesnt mean they can take on an amped Thor. Hell, Thor at normal levels could take on this Team, given that he doesn't fight like a retard.
One KRAKABOOOM and Thor need only take on Colossus and Magneto maybe with the rest of the X-men dead.
You forgot the guanlets, that means Mojlner is unleashing some serious cosmic/mystical energies power that would fried the Xmen in their underwear!! It's come down to Xman, Colossus, and Mags, this is a Thor that is willing to kill, whatever ever Xman and MAgs throw at Thor he channel it back 100 -1000 fold basically Knocking them f**k out.
Originally posted by nwg202
rouge went through normal thor and the avengers.I'm not saying rouge can take thor head on, but thor by himself struggles against cain and the hulk. You put in shaman x-man who was compared to phoenix powered jean grey, add an avatar of cyttorak, magneto, iceman and rouge with all the others powers, and normal thor can't take this team on. x-man vs thor alone would be a good fight.
mjolnir absorbing nate who was said to rival dark phoenix is debatable at best just like thor being immune to a combined attack of xavier, emma and x-man. it is said to rival the most uncontainable psionic energy on record.
thor absorbing souls is like me saying magik wins every battle by absorbing souls which she has more feats in. ( she obviously can't win every battle absorbing souls)
Jugernaut > Colossusnaut until I see proof that he's on the same level. Cain got de-powered by Cytorak and was still able to break Colossusnaut's bones. This would mean that Cain was at most at the same level as normal Thor. now slap on the belt and WM and the gauntlets and he'd get more than his bones crushed
All the X-men, with the exception of colcossunaut, magneto and maybe x-man would get bull rushed and one shot killed. the X-men did didly squat to cain while he was amped by the crystal and the serpent. Now a 20x stronger thor who isn't holding back one bit would be an equal or greater threat than that.
X-man for all his so called potential, never showed the power levels that DP had.
Never said Thor would go sould sucking. He'd most likely go hammer smashing, and I'm sure none of the x-men, even colossusnaut would survive a 20x amped hammer smash from wm Thor.
Its like saying a full grown man going up gainst 20 todlers or so. Sure there may be a whole lot of toddlers, but all it'll take is a bonk on the head to send them crying.
Originally posted by the Darkone
You forgot the guanlets, that means Mojlner is unleashing some serious cosmic/mystical energies power that would fried the Xmen in their underwear!! It's come down to Xman, Colossus, and Mags, this is a Thor that is willing to kill, whatever ever Xman and MAgs throw at Thor he channel it back 100 -1000 fold basically Knocking them f**k out.
Thor has always been willing to kill. I'm sure that all of the frost giants he's faced over the centuries are most likely dead. not to mention the dark elves, trolls and other enemies of asgard.
Colossus was getting his bones broken by cain who was just being amped by the serpent. He would be at most at Thor's level, Now amp Thor by 20x and colossus would drop dead. Not saying that Colossus is a weak tard, just that we haven't seen him on the level that jugs was. so, until we do, he's jugs lite
For all of mags awesome shield, he'd get pounded to a bloody pulp and x-man would get his psionic ass smacked into orbit. yeah, he's psionic and shit but mjolnier deflected a tk bolt from the damn phoenix (sure its rachell but its still the pnoenix).
People here are down playing thor too much just coz he currently sucks balls. Thor, though with some nice shiny armor and a point sword, still took out the serpent, something the entire x-men roster could only dream of doing.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
For all of mags awesome shield, he'd get pounded to a bloody pulp and x-man would get his psionic ass smacked into orbit. yeah, he's psionic and shit but mjolnier deflected a tk bolt from the damn phoenix (sure its rachell but its still the pnoenix).
Rachel is FAIL. But even in her total sh|tty failness, the writer issued an apology for the way that fight was handled in the very next issue in the Letters page.
Nate > Rachel even with the PF because she FAILS to use even the small portion she has with any kind of skill. Don't believe me? Check out her showdown with Necrom. He had an even smaller portion of the PF than she did and he wrecked a solar system for the lulz.
Originally posted by zopzop
Rachel is FAIL. But even in her total sh|tty failness, the writer issued an apology for the way that fight was handled in the very next issue in the Letters page.Nate > Rachel even with the PF because she FAILS to use even the small portion she has with any kind of skill. Don't believe me? Check out her showdown with Necrom. He had an even smaller portion of the PF than she did and he wrecked a solar system for the lulz.
like i said, it was rachell, we all know what a crap phoenix avatar she is. but the point still stands, it was a tp/psionic bolt, and mjolnier deflected it right back. that hammer is one crazy shit plot devise.
a pf powered rachel failed to undo magik's soul sword enchantment, rachel has a history of jobbing...she couldn't take the soul sword out of the dam rock with the phoenix force tk.
and i was reactiing to your comment that normal thor could take this whole team. still not sold that the hammer can casually beat up shaman x-man though...and colossus most likely will be given a boost here on avx since hes going up against rulk, hulk etc...we have seen his new demon form come into play..
Originally posted by nwg202
a pf powered rachel failed to undo magik's soul sword enchantment, rachel has a history of jobbing...she couldn't take the soul sword out of the dam rock with the phoenix force tk.and i was reactiing to your comment that normal thor could take this whole team. still not sold that the hammer can casually beat up shaman x-man though...and colossus most likely will be given a boost here on avx since hes going up against rulk, hulk etc...we have seen his new demon form come into play..
its a well known fact that rachell sucks
as for the normal Thor comment, IMO, Thor should be able to take this team of X-Men even at his normal levels. Aside from Colossus, Magneto and X-man, which other X-men can take a hammer toss and live? A hammer toss traveling at god knows how fast, can kill off most of the X-men even before they can react to it.
Thor has the powerset and the level of power to be an actual team buster, too bad he's written as a chum most of the time.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
its a well known fact that rachell sucksas for the normal Thor comment, IMO, Thor should be able to take this team of X-Men even at his normal levels. Aside from Colossus, Magneto and X-man, which other X-men can take a hammer toss and live? A hammer toss traveling at god knows how fast, can kill off most of the X-men even before they can react to it.
Thor has the powerset and the level of power to be an actual team buster, too bad he's written as a chum most of the time.
I agree...most of the team is canon fodder for thor. Only a couple of players really matter.
Re: X-Men vs Thor
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Thor has belt of strength and Magic Gauntlets. He's also in Warrior's madness. Can the X-men take him down?
OK. So the belt gives him 2X strength. I'm rather vague on what the gauntlets (as used against Thanos clone?) give him. Warriors Madness makes Thor fight like a beserker but i'm super skeptical to say the least at crediting him with 10X strength based on a single panel vs the other depictions of Warriors Madness. One plus is that it gives him a fair ammount of "crazy guy" psi resistance, which is fortunate given that this might otherwise be a very short fight given all the psi power on the X-team. On the negative side it means Thor is much more likely to want to fight everyone Hulk-style rather than do anything smart like use a bunch of lightning.
I could definitely see a crazy, twice normal strength Thor being written as overwhelming even a group like this but OTOH with Magneto, Colossonaut, X-Man, a potentially lethal Nightcrawler/Wolverine combo etc this is a very tough fight.