Ultron vs WWH

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They have given Ultron a serious upgrade.

Fem Ultron was a step above Ultron Unlimited/"Classic" Ultron. Phalanx Ultron was, too. AoU Ultron even more.

Currently, Ultron is capable of tanking a fully charged all out Mjolnir strike without being damaged and BFRed himself because he felt he wasn't ready to take on all of the Avengers at once. When Ultron returns, presumably after AvX, he's going to be a beast.

Primary adamantium is still primary adamantium, so unless the last Ultron had better body armor than primary adamantium... you see where this is going right? The Hulk has the feat under his belt, so arguing whether or not he can smash Ultron has already been decided on panel. Thor may not have been going all out or the Hulk might just have more hitting power.

Also this happens to be busiek's Ultron.

Originally posted by Stoic
Primary adamantium is still primary adamantium, so unless the last Ultron had better body armor than primary adamantium... you see where this is going right? The Hulk has the feat under his belt, so arguing whether or not he can smash Ultron has already been decided on panel. Thor may not have been going all out or the Hulk might just have more hitting power.

Or Ultron is tougher internally than before. Or he's gotten god knows what else in the forms of added shields/barriers, etc.

Ultron also has had his firepower increased, his overall capabilities increased, etc. since Secret Wars.

I think Hulk fans sometimes just sometimes look at a title of a thread. If Hulk's in it, they mentally visualize Hulk hitting the opponent. If they can do that, they think "...yeah, Hulk should win this".

Anyways, Ultron should take this.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Or Ultron is tougher internally than before. Or he's gotten god knows what else in the forms of added shields/barriers, etc.

Ultron also has had his firepower increased, his overall capabilities increased, etc. since Secret Wars.

Internally had nothing to do with the Hulk warping the armor, and leaving it crippled. The Hulk literally folded Ultron like a lawn chair. WW Hulk is far superior to that Hulk. This again is supposed to be Busiek's Ultron. I think Alkema Ultron was superior.

Ultron wins. Hulk would never touch his person, imo.

People forget that just because both characters have gotten stronger doesn't mean it will be the same outcome as it was years ago. The power increase isn't normally going to be the same for both people, and it could also be in very different ways then simple both got 2 times stronger, or faster, etc.

Originally posted by jalek moye
People forget that just because both characters have gotten stronger doesn't mean it will be the same outcome as it was years ago. The power increase isn't normally going to be the same for both people, and it could also be in very different ways then simple both got 2 times stronger, or faster, etc.

But Primary Adamantium has been the same strength , and is the same strength. However the Hulk has gotten stronger.

A question to those of you "in the know". What happened first?:

1. Simon shaking Ultron's "berries".
or
2. Hulk bending Ultron's pelvis.

Originally posted by Horrificus
A question to those of you "in the know". What happened first?:

1. Simon shaking Ultron's "berries".
or
2. Hulk bending Ultron's pelvis.

Originally posted by Stoic
But Primary Adamantium has been the same strength , and is the same strength. However the Hulk has gotten stronger.

Even if that's the case, he could have the same outershell and still be harder to hurt due to new shielding, shock absorbers, and forcefields etc. Many upgrades can happen that make him much more formidable even if his body stays the same. Regardless of his bodies material he can be still become way harder for hulk to defeat then he was back in the day.

I'd like to see if Hulk could resist the encephalo beam or not.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Even if that's the case, he could have the same outershell and still be harder to hurt due to new shielding, shock absorbers, and forcefields etc. Many upgrades can happen that make him much more formidable even if his body stays the same. Regardless of his bodies material he can be still become way harder for hulk to defeat then he was back in the day.

This is not a what if scenario though, or a far flung in the future version of Ultron, it's Busiek's Ultron from the Avengers, and the robot didn't have all of those things that you are speaking of. There is nothing that leads me to think that it was more advanced than it was during the Secret Wars, nor do I recall it being written to be. I'll have to check it out, but from what i read, it was just composed of primary adamantium, no force fields, or particle re-arrangers, no photon torpedoes, or light sabers.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I'd like to see if Hulk could resist the encephalo beam or not.

Would the encephelo beam be able to put out more power than it took to obliterate a planet?

Originally posted by Stoic
Would the encephelo beam be able to put out more power than it took to obliterate a planet?

Originally posted by Damborgson
the encephalo beams a cool power ultrons got. It shuts down part of the opponenets brain leaving them in a coma. But WWH had some legitelly impressive feats when it came to tampering with his mind. Idk if the beam puts out or not.

Ok. outside of that, I do recall that Ultron shot the Hulk and broke his leg or something like that. It really made little sense to me that it took him weeks to heal his leg, when modern day Hulk would heal something like that in seconds. They even had him walking around on power crutches.

Originally posted by Horrificus
A question to those of you "in the know". What happened first?:

1. Simon shaking Ultron's "berries".
or
2. Hulk bending Ultron's pelvis.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Ahhh I Can See Where This Is Going 😉

Well, just as an FYI, here is the info:

Against Ultron- Wonder Man and Hulk

*(Interestingly, both are facing Ultron 11. After Utron's defeat to Hulk and Wasp, the Beyonder rebuilt him on Battle World. His "still-active" head was brought back to Earth, where he was able to rebuild himself, still calling himself Ultron 11.

Before meeting Simon, the rebuilt Ultron 11 destroyed an an "upgraded" version of himself, Ultron 12. )

April 1985- Marvel Super-Heroes Secret Wars #12

Hulk manages to dent Ultron 11, allowing Wasp to actually be the one to take him down. Ultron blasts Hulk to the ground while Wasp goes into action. Wasp enters through the dented area and wreaking havock.

April 1986- West Coast Avengers #7

Wonder Man shows up just in time, as Ultron 11 is about to tear Hank Pym's legs off. Wonder Man shakes Ultron's head so hard, it It destroys the artificial brain within.

Originally posted by Stoic
Ok. outside of that, I do recall that Ultron shot the Hulk and broke his leg or something like that. It really made little sense to me that it took him weeks to heal his leg, when modern day Hulk would heal something like that in seconds. They even had him walking around on power crutches.

Ultron should be able to outlast and beat the Hulk.

Pym's son wins

Ultron takes him out.