Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Not anymore, no.Wolverine fans make it easy on us high level characters. Make them even more powerful.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Apparently recognizing that Sabretooth lacked a healing factor or super human stats at the time of a certain defeat is an trivial irrelevancy that somehow equates to Thanos being unbeatable... and something about Superman?Morons.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Apparently retcons mean zilch for some comic fans. Here I thought both wolverine and sabretooth were in spidey's range in strength when they were introduced according to some wolverine fans.
srug
Yes, to you apparently. Retroactively giving Sabretooth powers, calls into question the validity of all of his feats prior to said retcon. One some level they still may have taken place (or may not have), but we are no longer privy to how events unfolded.
Wolverine was intended to be a Spider-man level character when he was first created, which at the time of Wolverine's first appearance was only around class 2.
Sabretooth solos.
I will say what no one wants to say outright.
trying to use Blackcat and Sabes low showing before he was defined in any way is trollish. it would be like us using the 1st issues of Superman or Batman getting beat up by one of his crappy rogue villains like Penguin.
dont ignore context and character development.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Sabretooth solos.I will say what no one wants to say outright.
trying to use Blackcat and Sabes low showing before he was defined in any way is trollish. it would be like us using the 1st issues of Superman or Batman getting beat up by one of his crappy rogue villains like Penguin.dont ignore context and character development.
It's not "trollish," it's just blatant trolling.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yes, to you apparently. Retroactively giving Sabretooth powers, calls into question the validity of all of his feats prior to said retcon. One some level they still may have taken place (or may not have), but we are no longer privy to how events unfolded.Wolverine was intended to be a Spider-man level character when he was first created, which at the time of Wolverine's first appearance was only around class 2.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Sabretooth solos.I will say what no one wants to say outright.
trying to use Blackcat and Sabes low showing before he was defined in any way is trollish. it would be like us using the 1st issues of Superman or Batman getting beat up by one of his crappy rogue villains like Penguin.dont ignore context and character development.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Sabretooth solos.I will say what no one wants to say outright.
trying to use Blackcat and Sabes low showing before he was defined in any way is trollish. it would be like us using the 1st issues of Superman or Batman getting beat up by one of his crappy rogue villains like Penguin.dont ignore context and character development.
He was not.
Stop making a big deal out of it. Sabretooth > Black Cat, everybody knows that. It's just bad writing.
This being said, I still think Lizard is just as fast, strong and vicious as Sabretooth. I think Sabretooth wins 7/10 against Lizard, but Lizard can take some wins too. Especially with his telepathy.
1. Don't think anyone here is seriously using the BC/ST fight as an argument.
2. Sabertooth's powers weren't established when he fought Black Cat.
3. Still, Black Cat defeating Sabertooth is in continuity and was referenced by Felicia few years ago.
4. Sabertoth did not beat Spider-man and Punisher at the same time. That's not what happened.
5. Team 1 wins. Sabertooth being on team 1 is overkill. Current Kraven is a beast as well. Team 2's only chance - Lizard's telepathy but there's a chance it will make Creed go berserk. And that won't do team 2 any good.
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Originally posted by srankmissingninSo because he wasn't fully fleshed out, we now don't know how the events unfolded, that we clearly saw drawn out in a comic?
One some level they still may have taken place (or may not have), but we are no longer privy to how events unfolded.Wolverine was intended to be a Spider-man level character when he was first created, which at the time of Wolverine's first appearance was only around class 2.
Spider-Man... class 2... even though Spider-Man always had super strength. His limits weren't explored (surprise, just like Thanos and Superman)
Why are you calling other people trolls exactly?
Originally posted by SamZED
4. Sabertoth did not beat Spider-man and Punisher at the same time. That's not what happened.[/thread]
The only reason why Sabretooth wasn't completely defeated, is because Spider-Man was constantly trying to stop Punisher from killing Sabretooth.
Punisher: die you crazy psychopath
Spider-Man: no, we can't kill him
Punisher: out of my way webslinger
Sabretooth: I'm out of here !
Sabretooth was lucky Spider-Man was there, because Punisher really messed him up.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I said beat on. Which is accurate description. He did not defeat them but he did beat on them little then clasped the roof on them. He did get the better of them, but did not defeat them
Spider-Man and Sabretooth fought like 3 panels, nothing special. Sabretooth fled, Spider-Man and Punisher followed him, Sabretooth attacked them again and Punisher almost killed him.
That's it.
Sabes and Kraven should take this comfortably. Creed always seems to have Hank's number in a fight, whether it be in the Sabretooth: In the Red Zone one-shot or the recent issue of Wolverine and the X-men (though I hope Hank comes back and destroys him). He also took out Dark Beast as well. I can see Kraven's fight with Lizard taking a while, giving Creed enough time to join the battle after taking out Beast and giving Lizard more than he can handle.