If we are assuming Only neo can do this than well yeah I guess he can't lose but if we are assuming he is just one of the people who are just really good at it then well this is my nomination...
Cypher of the X-Men, this guy has the tools to almost instantly understand how the matrix world works and use it to his advantage.
That was my first pick, but I wanted to see how far this "Matrix" fad would go in its defense
These threads consist of for no reason at all mind you, that these characters don't imagine themselves to be at their normal levels. Their normal levels, which are so far beyond what anyone in the Matrix has shown.
So, because these characters don't imagine themselves at their normal levels, we have to make up some imaginable power level that we only use so Neo can win.
Instead of just making it a normal fight.
Originally posted by Cogito
Nobody, it's a lame question.
Not at all true; they are both very powerful in the Matrix, but not unbeatable...
Although I absolutely dont think you have to go so high on the totem pole to find someone who can beat these two under the rules stated, but Galactus would win this fight with absolute ease...
I have in mind lesser characters than Galactus that would win the fight as stated; I just want to see if there is someone lesser than what I think would be sufficient to get the job done...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do they know they are in the Matrix, and thus, that they can do whatever they want as long as they could 'free their mind'?
No...
None of Neo and Smiths opponents would have fore knowledge of being inside of the Matrix and wouldnt know how it operates...unless if was one of those near all-knowing types...like a very powerful cosmic/abstract being.
Originally posted by Mindset
^ I think willpower will have more to do with it than intelligence.They'd have to truly believe that they could do anything.
This is true...
In addition, regardless of their willpower, they'd all be vulnerable to being reality warped by Neo and Smith as both of them can warp their surroundings and opponents by manipulating Matrix code...
Inside the Matrix, all their opponents would be nothing but Matrix code...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderSo Galactus would be Matrix Code pretty much
This is true...In addition, regardless of their willpower, they'd all be vulnerable to being reality warped by Neo and Smith as both of them can warp their surroundings and opponents by manipulating Matrix code...
Inside the Matrix, all their opponents would be nothing but Matrix code...
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
So Galactus would be Matrix Code pretty much
Yes, but Galactus would also immediately know exactly what he was facing and could do something about it; he (sans jobbing) is far stronger willed than these two and can reality warp on a scale thats far beyond them as well...
Galactus would instantly seize control of the Matrix (via extreme reality warp) and spite them...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderWhat about someone like Odin, Zeus, or Ego
Yes, but Galactus would also immediately know exactly what he was facing and could do something about it; he (sans jobbing) is far stronger willed than these two and can reality warp on a scale thats far beyond them as well...Galactus would instantly seize control of the Matrix (via extreme reality warp) and spite them...
If we assume that comic characters can keep all their powers within the matrix, then any high meta/low herald should be able to win pretty easily.
Personally I don't think that's how the Matrix works. Galactus, in the Matrix, is just a bunch of code. Unless he was coded to be able to break the Matrix (and why would he?), he'd be as useless as Morpheus or any other human from the outside.
Anyways, I don't really care to debate the Matrix because as I said before, it's a lame question.
/shrug
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
What about someone like Odin, Zeus, or Ego
Not sure about those guys; I'm not sure if any of these guys can reality warp...
IMHO, you would need two things to beat Neo and Smith sans being a better technopath than them; a very strong will (Odin, Zeus, and Ego definitely have this) and superior reality warping ability (afterall, sans technopathy, you have to be able to simutaneously "defend" your code while being able to subvert theirs and the Matrix code around you)...
Anyway, the weakest character that I can think of that meets the above criteria is Proteus (the version that doesnt have a weakness to metal of course)...
There are other, lesser, characters that have the strong will part (like Captain America and Doom), but they lack the means to defend their code from these guys and launch a counter attack...
Originally posted by Cogito
If we assume that comic characters can keep all their powers within the matrix, then any high meta/low herald should be able to win pretty easily.Personally I don't think that's how the Matrix works. Galactus, in the Matrix, is just a bunch of code. Unless he was coded to be able to break the Matrix (and why would he?), he'd be as useless as Morpheus or any other human from the outside.
Anyways, I don't really care to debate the Matrix because as I said before, it's a lame question.
/shrug
Umm...no...the heralds have no defense to being reality warped while Galactus does.