Plagueis and Sidious vs. Vitiate and Revan

The apperance of Darth Plagueis and Revan novels spurred some interesting disscussions on new characters' abilities, thus I give you the ultimate battle between powerful Sith Lords.

Everything goes.

Setting: Naboo plains

Vitiate for the LolMindFvck instawin.

puh-leeze.

Which Sidious is this?

This is RotS Sidious.

Damn.. this is close.

I can see this ultimately coming down to Plagueis versus Vitiate.

I'm not sure who would win that.

revan can handle both of them alone imho. Plagueis can not manipulate revans mids because revan is too strong imho. vitiate is possibly a greater midochlorian controler because he managed to live centuries. I wonder if perhaps plagueis gets his knowledge vitiates spirit

Vitiate was immortal because of a Sith Spell that let him suck the life force from the people on a planet and the planet itself. So in practice he'd live as long as the planet and it's combined people would have. Billions if not trillions of years.

I see why you would believe that. But let me tell you where your wrong. Nihilus did the same thing yet he never gained immortality. I beleive it was his midi manipulation that gave him immortality

Originally posted by darthshade
I see why you would believe that. But let me tell you where your wrong. Nihilus did the same thing yet he never gained immortality. I beleive it was his midi manipulation that gave him immortality

Nihilus was essentially energy infused into armor, unless I'm mistaken.

We don't know what kind of "lifespan" his Giga-drain or changed-nature, gave him.

I believe that because that's what was stated in the books and The Old Republic MMO, all of which is canon.

And Battlemaster's right. Nihilus was basically living Force Energy, and also a Force Siphon. His continued survival depended on him draining large portions of Force Energy. This made him immortal as long as he could find energy to sustain him. And keep in mind immortal doesn't mean you can't be killed, it means you can't die.

proof is in the pudding. I won several different debates about that in other forums. Drain force doesnt give you immortality. The only way he can live so long is by midichlorian manipulation. Think about it, plagueis wanted mastery over midichlorians because that was the only way for eternal life

Originally posted by darthshade
I see why you would believe that. But let me tell you where your wrong. Nihilus did the same thing yet he never gained immortality. I beleive it was his midi manipulation that gave him immortality

revan can handle both of them alone imho.

Nihilus was forced to put his spirit into his armor/mask because his condition was affecting his body so badly. After that the only thing that sustained him was his hunger ironically. He had to feed to remain alive(if you can call it that), and basically became a slave to his hunger. He was a different case from normal force drain, as he drained entire force sensitive planets at a time.

Play KOTOR 2 again, and read the books.

Proof is in the pudding.

i will need proof of a quote before i even think about considering it canon

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Nihilus

There ya go. Quotes out the wazoo.

I can link Vitiate's page if you don't believe me about his Sith Magic Ritual that allowed him immortality.

i do not consider wookieepedia canon anymore..i need a quote wich says force drains inhances ones life

Imagine Kallig absorbing Vitiate's spirit when he's on his way to a new body. 0-0

Originally posted by darthshade
i do not consider wookieepedia canon anymore..i need a quote wich says force drains inhances ones life

I don't know why. It's the biggest and most accurate source of star wars info out there. And I told you that Nihilus was a special case. As a spirit contained in his mask and armor, he was forced to steal the force energy of entire planets to sustain himself since he couldn't actually eat real food, and had to eat force energy. He's like Galactus or Unicron. Immortal in the sense that he can't die as long as he continues to feed, but not unable to die.

*facepalm

wookieepia can be edited by anybody.......i need a quote that says it..nihilus didnt live as long as vitiate because he did not learn midichlorian manipulation vitiate is the only force user to use his midis

proof is in the pudding