WB Hulk VS Superman Prime

Started by carver920 pages

Originally posted by biensalsa
Sorry, If I did not answer that post, I may have just skipped trough it.

But let see, even though this seems as a similar analogy, there are several things different.

First of

You are assuming the other building is "60 ft away" from the condemned building AND You are also assuming it gets destroyed too.

Second destroying the foundation (mantle and core) of the building will cause the building to collapse.

Third, this was done with TWO persons punching

Fourth As We can see "building" is still on top of its foundation (orbit) after it collapsed.

Fifth the guys in armor who where standing on top of the condemned building, will get killed of course as the force was enough to destroy the foundation of the building.

If this was a building that it was pulverized and repelled out of it's foundation, I will say the second will be more impressive

But you forgot to mention too, the guy who moved the other building besides he did at SUPER SPEED AND HE JUST NUDGED IT. 😛

Case closed

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Still, please answer my question.

Your question is lame.

Originally posted by carver9
Your question is lame.

You're lame.uhuh

Originally posted by carver9
Your question is lame.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Then He is mocking the guy in that room ========>

'Cuz I know He can do it since the 70's and I said it on ^ post, of course I can't expect less from someone whose comprehension skills cannot understand what Imperex meant.

Now, let me guide you though this because I'm beginning to understand "112 logic"

I... know... hulk...can... bust...a...planet (are You still with me?)

I'm wondering if He can do it in the same manner outside of the dark dimension, 'cuz you know the laws of reality are different.

And you have not answered the question yet, but it seems You might think demolishing a building with an explosion next door is harder than putting the same building in space.

I think this is the reason why we put buildings on space rather than demolish them 🙄

You are the same kinda poster who tried to undermine the Hulk feats when he actually does it. You are the typical fan he is mocking. In his story he makes it clear he is pushing the Hulk. You trying to use a 30 some year old scan as proof to demean the feat is ridiculous.

That's not according to Pak. That's a thirty year old story.

Destroying a world is greater than pushing it out of orbit. If you want to compare things compare them on the same level.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Destroying a world is greater than pushing it out of orbit. If you want to compare things compare them on the same level.

It isn't.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=63459
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Gravitational+Binding+Energy

According to the science in these two links, moving Earth out of its normal orbit to Mars' requires a full order of magnitude more energy than destroying it.

Now while you can claim that science doesn't apply to comics, how else would you quantify it? Unless you have a scan of both Marvel and DC agreeing that busting a planet>moving it, you have no basis for your stance. I have basis for mine.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It isn't.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=63459
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Gravitational+Binding+Energy

According to the science in these two links, moving Earth out of its normal orbit to Mars' requires a full order of magnitude more energy than destroying it.

Now while you can claim that science doesn't apply to comics, how else would you quantify it? Unless you have a scan of both Marvel and DC agreeing that busting a planet>moving it, you have no basis for your stance. I have basis for mine.

It's all speculation it seems but the forces it would take to destroy the earth without it eventually reforming is awesome indeed.

Source: This method suggested by Sean Timpa.5.OverspunYou will need: some means of accelerating the Earth's rotation.Accelerating the Earth's rotation is a rather different matter from movingit. External interactions with asteroids might move the Earth but won't have asignificant effect on how fast it spins. And certainly it won't spin the Earthfast enough. You need to build rockets or railguns at the Equator, all facingWest. Or perhaps something more exotic...Method: The theory is, if you spin the Earth fast enough, it'll fly apart asthe bits at the Equator start moving fast enough to overcome gravity. In theory,one revolution every 84 minutes should do it - even slower would be fine, in fact,as the Earth would become flatter and thus more prone to breaking apart as youspun it faster.Feasibility rating: 4/10. This could be done - there is a definite upperlimit on how fast something like the Earth can spin before it breaks apart.However, spinning a planet is even more difficult than moving it. It's not assimple as attaching rockets pointing in each direction to each side...Source: This method suggested by Matthew Wakeling.6.Blown upYou will need: 25,000,000,000,000 tonnes of antimatter.Method: This method involves detonating a bomb so big that it blasts theEarth to pieces.This, to say the least, requires a big bomb. All the explosives mankind hasever created, nuclear or non-, gathered together and detonated simultaneously,would make a significant crater and wreck the planet's ecosystem, but barelyscratch the surface of the planet. There is evidence that in the past, asteroidshave hit the Earth with the explosive yield of five billion Hiroshima bombs - andsuch evidence is difficult to find. It is, in short, insanely difficult tosignificantly alter the Earth's structure with explosives. This is not to mentionthe gravity problem. Just because you blasted the Earth apart doesn't mean youblasted it apart for good. If you don't blast it hard enough, the pieces will fallback together again under mutual gravitational attraction, and Earth, like theliquid metal Terminator, will reform from its shattered shards. You have to blowthe Earth up hard enough to overcome that attraction.How hard is that?If you do the lengthy calculations you find that to liberate that muchenergy is equivalent to the complete annihilation of around 1,246,400,000,000tonnes of antimatter. That's assuming zero energy loss to heat, neutrinos andradiation, which is unlikely to be the case in reality: You'll probably need to upthe dose by at least a factor of twenty. Once you've generated your antimatter,probably in space, just launch it en masse towards Earth. The resulting release ofenergy (obeying Einstein's famous mass-energy equation, E=mc2) should besufficient to split the Earth into a thousand pieces.

But I digress and fall back with my real world example. Pick up a 25 pound dumbbell and try to destroy it under your own physical power. Tell me which is harder in the weight room. I win.

Originally posted by quanchi112

But I digress and fall back with my real world example. Pick up a 25 pound dumbbell and try to destroy it under your own physical power. Tell me which is harder in the weight room. I win.

That's a pretty stupid example and faulty logic. The material the planet is made of isn't more durable or harder then Superman Prime (who destroyed Planets btw) unlike a dumbbell which is harder then your body. A better example would be "there are 500 kilograms of clay/dirt formed into a square, what is easier, lifting it or destroying it". You won't be able to lift it but since it's just clay/dirt you won't need long till it's scattered and hence destroyed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are the same kinda poster who tried to undermine the Hulk feats when he actually does it. You are the typical fan he is mocking. In his story he makes it clear he is pushing the Hulk. You trying to use a 30 some year old scan as proof to demean the feat is ridiculous.

Not really 112 let me really try to undermine this though.

1.- unknown size of planet
2.- unknown density of the planet
3.- Hulk did it while jumping too so that means not only strength

[bold] but this does not matter to me [/bold]

I don't care about that, 'cuz I know He can do it.
Can he do it? yes.
As easy? Nah!

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's not according to Pak. That's a thirty year old story.

Oh yes I forgot what Pak say is the law. Funny you are accusing me of using 30 year old scans, but Pak also is mentioning those same 30 year old instances 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Destroying a world is greater than pushing it out of orbit. If you want to compare things compare them on the same level.

Umm..... No!

Moving a planet outside of it's orbit is >>> than destroying one.

Now NUDGING ONE at super speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than destroying one.

You should really stop this.

Oh and I am comparing them on the same level, we are talking about buildings. is not like one is bananas vs buildings

This is quite funny

Originally posted by quanchi112
But I digress and fall back with my real world example. Pick up a 25 pound dumbbell and try to destroy it under your own physical power. Tell me which is harder in the weight room. I win.

After He told me this 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't some realistic notion just like if he lifts a mountain it won't stay in one piece. This is fiction and I enjoy those picking and choosing when to apply real world physics when it suits them.

Oh! and while you are it, please answer my question or are you going to pull a Carver on me too?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That's a pretty stupid example and faulty logic. The material the planet is made of isn't more durable or harder then Superman Prime (who destroyed Planets btw) unlike a dumbbell which is harder then your body. A better example would be "there are 500 kilograms of clay/dirt formed into a square, what is easier, lifting it or destroying it". You won't be able to lift it but since it's just clay/dirt you won't need long till it's scattered and hence destroyed.

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I ask again, if Hulk had flight, do you think he would he able to push a planet?

Originally posted by carver9
I ask again, if Hulk had flight, do you think he would he able to push a planet?

Yes but not nearly as easy as Superman Prime.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That's a pretty stupid example and faulty logic. The material the planet is made of isn't more durable or harder then Superman Prime (who destroyed Planets btw) unlike a dumbbell which is harder then your body. A better example would be "there are 500 kilograms of clay/dirt formed into a square, what is easier, lifting it or destroying it". You won't be able to lift it but since it's just clay/dirt you won't need long till it's scattered and hence destroyed.
Thanks for responding. Superman Prime was amped and used flight as well to destroy the earth so I have no issue in him doing so. It's clear it was due to the amp imo.

Prime needs to fly through the planet to do so Hulk didn't even need to directly hit the planet. It's obvious which feat is more impressive. Hulk didn't even need flight this time that's how strong he was.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanks for responding. Superman Prime was amped and used flight as well to destroy the earth so I have no issue in him doing so. It's clear it was due to the amp imo.

Prime needs to fly through the planet to do so Hulk didn't even need to directly hit the planet. It's obvious which feat is more impressive. Hulk didn't even need flight this time that's how strong he was.

Np. He is also amped in this fight and he can destroy Planets if he can move them, my example was good enough for you I guess, he could have also destroyed Oa.

Depends on. Hulk is a walking Gammabomb, it was a shared feat and last but not least and most important.... An H-Bomb explodes before it hits the ground because only then it causes the greatest destruction. The same is a logical conclusion for the amped Hulks, shared feat.

Anway, I do believe that Hulk like anyone else with Herald level strength can destroy a Planet with his fists. I also think that everyone with that kind of strength could move a Planet out of it's orbit, though this would be harder then destroying it imho. But moving a Planet with such an ease like unamped SBP did, through the Universe, changing the center of the whole universe with strength and speed alone... Just imagine the speed he needed and the strength and the durability. This was clearly beyond anything a Herald strength level char could do.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Not really 112 let me really try to undermine this though.

1.- unknown size of planet
2.- unknown density of the planet
3.- Hulk did it while jumping too so that means not only strength

[bold] but this does not matter to me [/bold]

I don't care about that, 'cuz I know He can do it.
Can he do it? yes.
As easy? Nah!

That's the case in most comic book feats yet I am sure you give Prime the benefit of the doubt. First off Prime is amped. Secondly he has to fly directly through it to destroy it unlike Hulk who didn't even hit the planet to destroy it.

The writer already smacked the reader in the face with the facts that WB Hulk was holding back in WW Hulk 5 and that he could have destroyed the planet just be moving around. Now you want to pretend he needs flight in order to do so and to demean his dark dimenion feats when he actually does so on panel.

1.We do know the size of planet earth.
2.We do know the density of the planet earth.
3.Hulk did it by stepping.

Funny how Superman Prime uses flight and speed while amped to a level that he'd easily wreck Superman and yet you demean Hulk's feats.


Oh yes I forgot what Pak say is the law. Funny you are accusing me of using 30 year old scans, but Pak also is mentioning those same 30 year old instances 😂 [/B]
In his own story; absolutely.

The scans make it clear the dimension is more dangerious not less dangerous.


Umm..... No!

Moving a planet outside of it's orbit is >>> than destroying one.

Now NUDGING ONE at super speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than destroying one.

You should really stop this.

Oh and I am comparing them on the same level, we are talking about buildings. is not like one is bananas vs buildings [/B]

Super speed aids in the feat along with flight. You are dismissing the feat speed and flight diminishes the feat.

You really should stop.

Originally posted by biensalsa
This is quite funny

After He told me this 😂

Oh! and while you are it, please answer my question or are you going to pull a Carver on me too?

What's funny is you excuse Prime's flight+speed but then attack Hulk for using a jet propulsion in destroying something nearly twice the size of the planet. Hypocrisy much. Goes both ways, sport. Hulk did so while going slower and one of his weakest versions while Prime needed an amp at his strongest in order to do so. Food for thought.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Np. He is also amped in this fight and he can destroy Planets if he can move them, my example was good enough for you I guess, he could have also destroyed Oa.

Depends on. Hulk is a walking Gammabomb, it was a shared feat and last but not least and most important.... An H-Bomb explodes before it hits the ground because only then it causes the greatest destruction. The same is a logical conclusion for the amped Hulks, shared feat.

Anway, I do believe that Hulk like anyone else with Herald level strength can destroy a Planet with his fists. I also think that everyone with that kind of strength could move a Planet out of it's orbit, though this would be harder then destroying it imho. But moving a Planet with such an ease like unamped SBP did, through the Universe, changing the center of the whole universe with strength and speed alone... Just imagine the speed he needed and the strength and the durability. This was clearly beyond anything a Herald strength level char could do.

Hulk is just not holding back. While he's holding back in wwh 5 the writer laughs at people who say he can't destroy planets. He already did so with a jet propulsion jet. Prime needed to fly at the speed of light. When has Hulk ever flown that fast ?

Prime at his best was hurt by something comparable to a nuke.

Prime's using such speed and flight. Speed and flight drastically alter it. If I am being shot out of a cannon I will strike you with more force than just standing somewhere without moving using my strength.

Prime has light traveling speed Hulk doesn't. That's why he can move the planets quickly because he can travel quickly. Prime needed an amp to destroy the planet. Hulk can do so under his own power while holding back.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk is just not holding back. While he's holding back in wwh 5 the writer laughs at people who say he can't destroy planets. He already did so with a jet propulsion jet. Prime needed to fly at the speed of light. When has Hulk ever flown that fast ?

Prime at his best was hurt by something comparable to a nuke.

Prime's using such speed and flight. Speed and flight drastically alter it. If I am being shot out of a cannon I will strike you with more force than just standing somewhere without moving using my strength.

Prime has light traveling speed Hulk doesn't. That's why he can move the planets quickly because he can travel quickly. Prime needed an amp to destroy the planet. Hulk can do so under his own power while holding back.

SMP or SBP isn't holding back too. Superman without holding back would be at leats in WBH strength level. As said any herald with such strength can destroy a planet or move it, though moving would be harder and not as fast as prime. Hulk can't fly, duh.

So now we go to lowball Prime because you already lost two arguments...

Hulk would struggle to do so, as did Superman or any other Herald with Hulks strength. Prime didn't. Simple.

If you are shot against a piece of paper, you will get shot strough it and would do less damage then standing there and ripping it apart or hitting it with a Karate Chop. See we can play this game and you will always lose, like before. A char with herald strength can destroy a planet with his punches, that's something we agree, right? They can move a planet but it will be hard and they will have to struggle, right? What Prime did, unamped was beyond that kind of strength.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman without holding back would be at leats in WBH strength level.
what makes you say that? that superman doesn't even exist in publication anymore to even prove this

Lol at the idea that the size of an attack is relative to its power in comics. Just because something looks like a nuke, doesn't mean it bears the same power. Monarch wielded the power of the big bang. Bursting his containment suit destroyed the universe, and Prime survived it. Why don't you show that, Quan?

If size = power, then Thor's Godblast would be...what..a millionth of the power of a relatively small nuclear warhead?