Originally posted by Padawan Obi-Wan
Grievous is much better than Assaj Ventress. He defeated Assasj and Durge at the same time, Assaj who could defeat Kit Fisto and Durge who defeated Kit Fistp and Plo Koon at the same time.
Wrong! That was in C-Canon material.
The T-Canon show (a higher canon which over rules the lower canon when there is a contradiction) showed Ventress defeating Grievous just in Sabers without even using Force TK.
Grievous isn't the powerhouse who can easily defeat Jedi Masters and take on 5 Jedi at once anymore. Accept the truth young one.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wrong! That was in C-Canon material.The T-Canon show (a higher canon which over rules the lower canon when there is a contradiction) showed Ventress defeating Grievous just in Sabers without even using Force TK.
Grievous isn't the powerhouse who can easily defeat Jedi Masters and take on 5 Jedi at once anymore. Accept the truth young one.
Grievous was playing with her, I recall him ending up winning that confrontation with a little droid help.
Grievous defeated 4 Jedi at once in LOE. That is more canon than a cartoon, I believe. He is still the powerhouse. A poor showing in a more canon setting does not rule out a good showing in a lower canon setting (unless it is LITERALLY ruled out, such as Ki-Adi-Mundi saying "I wish I could fight grievous, like I never have done yet, ever." (Which come to think of it, still doesn't rule it out, because the cartoon timelines are all jank.)) So yeah, inconsistency does not undo top feats. Luke is all over the board, but we don't say he isn't powerful.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Grievous was playing with her, I recall him ending up winning that confrontation with a little droid help.
No he wasn't playing with her.
She challenged him to honorable combat (probably why she didn't even use any Force TK on him) to decide the battle.
He won by ordering the droids to fire on her after he lost the duel to her.
Grievous is a coward and a cheat. That's just how he rolls.
He's no match for Ventress in a one on one fair fight.
Originally posted by truejedi
Grievous defeated 4 Jedi at once in LOE. That is more canon than a cartoon, I believe.
Sorry TJ, but it's not. LOE is C-Canon. The CW series is T-Canon.
And wasn't it LOE where Dooku warned GG that he wouldn't be a match for Council members without surprise and fear on his side??
Originally posted by truejedi
He is still the powerhouse. A poor showing in a more canon setting does not rule out a good showing in a lower canon setting (unless it is LITERALLY ruled out, such as Ki-Adi-Mundi saying "I wish I could fight grievous, like I never have done yet, ever." (Which come to think of it, still doesn't rule it out, because the cartoon timelines are all jank.)) So yeah, inconsistency does not undo top feats. Luke is all over the board, but we don't say he isn't powerful.
Yeah but the fact is you can't just accept GG's feat of beating Ventress and ignore Ventress's feat of defeating GG without even the use of any Force TK, and in a more canon setting.
It's not about lowballing, because in your scenario your lowballing Ventress. It's about inconsistencies between higher and lower canon, in which case we're supposed to take the higher canon.
And I believe Leeland Chee said once, when it comes to power levels, the closer they are to the movie (in canon) the closer it is to the truth.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
[B]No he wasn't playing with her.She challenged him to honorable combat (probably why she didn't even use any Force TK on him) to decide the battle.
He won by ordering the droids to fire on her after he lost the duel to her.
Grievous is a coward and a cheat. That's just how he rolls.
He's no match for Ventress in a one on one fair fight.
And wasn't it LOE where Dooku warned GG that he wouldn't be a match for Council members without surprise and fear on his side??
But then we have him handing Shaak Ti's ass to her on a platter, and out dueling Kenobi on Kamino.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYeah but the fact is you can't just accept GG's feat of beating Ventress and ignore Ventress's feat of defeating GG without even the use of any Force TK, and in a more canon setting.
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wait, what? It is completely possible for someone to beat ventress once, and lose to her the next time. Ventress was getting quite a bit better. This doesn't weaken Grievous, it strengthens Ventress.
Originally posted by truejedi
wait, what? It is completely possible for someone to beat ventress once, and lose to her the next time. Ventress was getting quite a bit better. This doesn't weaken Grievous, it strengthens Ventress.
Yeah thats possible. Sidious didn't care about her before, but then wanted her murdered as he sensed her power grow.
As long as we accept Ventress is better now. Even just in Sabers. So says T-Canon.