Dr Maurice Rawlings - NDE - To Hell and Back
What if you're wrong about life after death?
What then?
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Dr Maurice Rawlings - NDE - To Hell and Back
What if you're wrong about life after death?
What then?
🙁
Originally posted by Robtard
Living in constant fear like you is no way to live, JIA. 🙁
I am not living in fear. I know the Resurrection and the Life. I know the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I know in Whom I have believed, and still do believe. His Name is Jesus Christ, and He is the Savior of the World.
Originally posted by Digi
The video I posted explains how we experience what we do during NDE's. The exact same sensations as the video you just posted, can be created by proper neural stimulus. Nothing the guy says in that video explains otherwise. He just doesn't fully understand what he's experiencing.Testimonies tell us nothing, especially when we know exactly how most of the affects of NDE's are experienced biologically. It's as if someone tells you they just saw a ghost, and just before that you saw a guy put on a white sheet and run into the room. Which is the more likely explanation, man in a sheet or a ghost?
The video also has a lot of extraneous material about him and his internal thoughts. It makes for a compelling story, but they aren't enlightening us with any evidence, they're just building a narrative to make the whole thing seem more dramatic.
I could also go into the fallibility of memory, especially under extreme circumstances, but I'd like to see you grasp my first point before moving on.
http://www.nowsthetime.org/to-hell-and-back.html
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46379201
Dr. Maurice Rawlings M.D. was a highly esteemed cardiologist; a war hero, medical director, professor of medicine, was a physician to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, he also served as a physician to the Joint Chiefs of Staff including World War II Generals George C. Marshall, Omar Nelson Bradley, and George S. Patton. However, his greatest accomplishments were all the good works he did to win souls for God's Kingdom. Dr Rawlings at one time was a self professed atheist but the clinical death experiences of his patients had a great impact on his life. Dr Rawlings found that not all of his patients saw a light or had a loving death experience but many of his patients, after being resuscitated, came back to life in sheer terror speaking of Hell. Many years ago Dr Rawlings renounced atheism and accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior. Dr. Rawlings, at 87, passed away and went home to be with the Lord on January 5th 2010. This documentary, based on his book "To Hell and Back", shows the testimonies of several people who have seen up close the reality of Hell.
Dr. Rawlings was the author of several books, including: "Beyond Death's Door," "Before Life Comes," "Life Wish" and "To Hell and Back," published in several languages. His first and last publications were made into movies.
Dr Maurice Rawlings - NDE - To Hell and Back
JIA, you don't seem to know what a refutation consists of. You also don't seem to have basic social skills, despite having been on the forums for years. You ignored us, posted videos, then responded with banal pleasantries when Shakya tried to call you out for being rude, missing the point of his request for open discussion. The progression of your posts in this thread is almost consistent with many spam-bots I see in the reports every day.
You also addressed none of my points. I will wait until you have to respond again. I doubt I will need to post again. You're welcome to prove my doubt wrong.
Originally posted by Digi
JIA, you don't seem to know what a refutation consists of. You also don't seem to have basic social skills, despite having been on the forums for years. You ignored us, posted videos, then responded with banal pleasantries when Shakya tried to call you out for being rude, missing the point of his request for open discussion. The progression of your posts in this thread is almost consistent with many spam-bots I see in the reports every day.You also addressed none of my points. I will wait until you have to respond again. I doubt I will need to post again. You're welcome to prove my doubt wrong.
I do know what refutation consists of. I have numerous threads where I have spent countless hours refuting others posts. I have chosen not to go that route in this thread. Instead I've provided the testimonies of educated atheists who are no longer atheists.
Tell me...what would be the difference between the testimony of someone who you trusted and respected such as a family doctor, a spouse, significant other, etc. telling you what these former atheists describe, and these testimonies?
Would you believe it then?
Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, most of the affects of NDE's have been reproduced in laboratory settings.
No, that's an over-exaggeration.
Some of the experiences have been marginally reproduced in labs.
Originally posted by Digi
Which isn't to say we understand everything about NDE's. The science behind them isn't perfect.
I agree.
Originally posted by Digi
But we have a pretty good understanding of where a lot of it comes from.
We do not have a pretty good understanding.
For every single case that we can explain with reasoned science, there are multiple exceptions to that same situation. It is frustrating science, at best, and pseudoscience, at worst.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
JIA I can find a dozen videos of people claiming to have seen unicorns, but we all know that unicorns do not exist. So what is happening here?
Actually, no we do not know that unicorns do not exist.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What if a Christian saw a unicorn, would unicorns exist, would you believe?
Depends. The information would have to be evaluated. If the Christian was an avid non-unicorn believer for years and made it a point to voice that opinion but then virtually sh*t themselves about having actually seen a unicorn, they obviously had an experience that was so real to them that they had no choice but to throw away an entire belief system, that was very important to them for decades, and believe what they did not believe prior. That's a lot different than a random Christian believing in unicorns.
But dadudemon, does random testimonials from YouTube convince you of anything that you don't already agree with?
Originally posted by dadudemon
...Actually, no we do not know that unicorns do not exist.
But JIA clearly does not believe in unicorns. I know this from previous conversations (if you call it that).
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But dadudemon, does random testimonials from YouTube convince you of anything that you don't already agree with?
I am skeptical of NDEs and both sides of the argument. I see a clear bias, at times, from supposed "science" regarding NDEs (such as quick and rash generalizations that are non-sequitur or over-exaggerated (for example, the ketamine connection is laughably connected to NDEs but it is crappy science, at best)) and tons of NDE experiences that are magically blamed on the particular faith the the individual believes in...or not explained by natural/pragmatic reasons when they could apply.
For me, it is very difficult to sort out the B.S. from both sides unless I actually have an NDE and/or research this material, myself.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But JIA clearly does not believe in unicorns. I know this from previous conversations (if you call it that).
Does he KNOW they do not exist (requires omniscience) or just states that he doesn't believe they exist?
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What if you are wrong?
No real consequence, really. Hello "oblivion". Being wrong about what he believes is not a big deal, imo (discount any discrimintion he imposes on people).
It's the coward's bet and thereby defeats the purpose of actually believing. "I believe cos I fear", not "I believe cos this is what I feel is true to the core of my being." The former makes Jesus cry.
As I said, living in constant fear as JIA does is no way to live, at least imo.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But dadudemon, does random testimonials from YouTube convince you of anything that you don't already agree with?But JIA clearly does not believe in unicorns. I know this from previous conversations (if you call it that).
What does the Bible say about unicorns?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v2/n1/unicorns-in-bible
Found a nice write-up on NDEs.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/extrasensory-perceptions/near-death-experience.htm
Originally posted by Robtard
It's the coward's bet and thereby defeats the purpose of actually believing. "I believe cos I fear", not "I believe cos this is what I feel is true to the core of my being." The former makes Jesus cry.As I said, living in constant fear as JIS does is no way to live, at least imo.
Is that a "coward's bet"? Is it? Or are there an almost infinite number of reasons to "believe" or "not believe"? Can you lump everyone in as having the same reason?
No, you cannot. That would be idiocy, obviously.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You will have to ask him, but my impression is that it is an absolute to him. That is why I am using that example, and most likley why he is not answering me.
I would think that they are very likely not to exist, but I cannot be sure because the universe is pretty damn big....another planet may have an animal that looks just like a horse with a horn coming out of the center of its skull. For me, it is quite lame to just dismiss something as sweeping as "unicorns do not exist" without first having a sure knowledge.
