"If I wanted America To Fail"

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There's a point where he says "I wouldn't take [oil] by force" and implies that not doing so means betraying your country and "making it fail".

Correction.

"I'd start with energy... I'd cut off Americans supply of cheap abundant engery, I couldnt take it by force so I'd make americans feel guilty about using the engery that heats their homes, fuels their cars, runs their business and powers their economy. I'd make cheap energy expensive so that expensive energy would seem cheap. I would empower unelected beurocrats to all but outlaw americans most abundant sources of engery. After banning its use in american id make it illegal for american companies to ship it overseas.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is the only reason I don't believe in man made global warming. It's not because we humans are somehow not capable of screwing everything up, we are, but we don't know what we are talking about.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Correction.

"I'd start with energy... I'd cut off Americans supply of cheap abundant engery, [b]I couldnt take it by force so I'd make americans feel guilty about using the engery that heats their homes, fuels their cars, runs their business and powers their economy. I'd make cheap energy expensive so that expensive energy would seem cheap. I would empower unelected beurocrats to all but outlaw americans most abundant sources of engery. After banning its use in american id make it illegal for american companies to ship it overseas. [/B]

Still, he doesn't explain how we're supposed to become energy self-sufficient.

Are we supposed to make every car run on coal?

He's referring to high energy costs which is slowing down the economy as it always does. You realize that?

Don't be so paranoid. I was questioning you out of curiosity, not to shoot your opinion down. Your orignal post in here had me wondering what was so wrong about the video stoned

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So you don't believe in science at all?

I don't believe in your religion of science.

In your religion of science, 80% of scientists agreeing on something makes it true, but in real science that doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't believe in your religion of science.

In your religion of science, 80% of scientists agreeing on something makes it true, but in real science that doesn't matter.

Lots of people believing something doesn't make it not true any more than it makes it true. Meanwhile scientists have piles of work they have done researching the subject.

Also no one has mention the relevance of consensus among scientists, only their evidence, which makes your comment a strawman.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
He's referring to high energy costs which is slowing down the economy as it always does. You realize that?

Don't be so paranoid. I was questioning you out of curiosity, not to shoot your opinion down. Your orignal post in here had me wondering what was so wrong about the video stoned

And your passive-aggressiveness is fun as always.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't believe in your religion of science.

In your religion of science, 80% of scientists agreeing on something makes it true, but in real science that doesn't matter.

You need to read "Division of Cognitive Labor" by Philip Kitcher. It argues that irrationality of individual scientists contributes to a rational scientific community.

Edit: Defending the principles of science makes me feel all icky. 🙁

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Right, what's his solution?

And your passive-aggressiveness is fun as always.

You realize the title of the video is called "If I wanted America to fail" and simply that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
..By calling science a religion you hope to elevate religion to a science. Very sneaky...

No! I'm pointing out that your FAITH is showing.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No! I'm pointing out that your FAITH is showing.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
You realize the title of the video is called "If I wanted America to fail" and simply that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Where? Point to it.

So, you don't believe in Man-Made Global Worming? Sorry, I had you confused.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you don't believe in Man-Made Global Worming? Sorry, I had you confused.

An entire branch of philosophy studies belief and qualifies it. Faith is just faith.

Faith is belief in the absence of justification, IMO.

If I believe in man-caused global warming when there's significant scientific evidence supporting it then it's not the same as believing that God created the world in six days because it's written in an old book that ripped off the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Where? Point to it.

Yes, and? My claim was that he isn't making any factual assertions, thanks for agreeing with me.

Agreeing with you on what? 😛

His last point. "If I wanted America to fail I suppose I wouldn't change a thing."

The video is made to make people think, at least that is my opinion on its purpose. This one man making a youtube video isn't going to bring the solutions on every one of these problems haermm

Or any of them.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Agreeing with you on what? 😛

His last point. "If I wanted America to fail I suppose I wouldn't change a thing."

The video is made to make people think, at least that is my opinion on its purpose. This one man making a youtube video isn't going to bring the solutions on every one of these problems haermm

It's an emotional message.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Belief and faith are different things.

An entire branch of philosophy studies belief and qualifies it. Faith is just faith.

Faith is belief in the absence of justification, IMO.

If I believe in man-caused global warming when there's significant scientific evidence supporting it then it's not the same as believing that God created the world in six days because it's written in an old book that ripped off the Epic of Gilgamesh.

So, you can't have faith unless you are a Christian? You do know that I am not a Christian.

Why don't you believe in global cooling? Oh! that's right, scientists were wrong about that, but there is No Way they could ever be wrong anything now.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's not supposed to make people think, it's supposed to galvanize popular support for this person's views.

It's an emotional message.

How do you think that support would be shown? What will be the outcome of this shown by supporters?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, you can't have faith unless you are a Christian? You do know that I am not a Christian.

Why don't you believe in global cooling? Oh! that's right, scientists were wrong about that, but there is No Way they could ever be wrong anything now.

There's a difference between the rational response of not believing anything any scientist says without due cause and what you're doing, which is categorically rejecting all science because some of the time they make mistakes.

If we all shared your view then we wouldn't be having this conversation because the computer would have never been invented because of crippling angst and self-doubt in what would have been the scientific community.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
How do you think that support would be shown? What will be the outcome of this shown by supporters?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
...There's a difference between the rational response of not believing anything any scientist says without due cause and what you're doing, which is categorically rejecting all science because some of the time they make mistakes.

That's fine, but I don't care about that.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If we all shared your view then we wouldn't be having this conversation because the computer would have never been invented because of crippling angst and self-doubt in what would have been the scientific community...

No! I am saying they can and have made mistakes. In other words, a poll of scientists is more religion like then science.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That's fine, but I don't care about that.

No! I am saying they can and have made mistakes. In other words, a poll of scientists is more religion like then science.

I'm not saying I believe in Global Warming because more scientists believe in it than not, rather that the evidence and arguments on their side are stronger.

Phlogiston was abandoned in favor of Lavoisier's new chemistry not because suddenly 51% of all scientists believed in it over phlogiston, but because the arguments and evidence for NC became more powerful.