Originally posted by namorsubbyNamor was under water with his sea creature ally and still got clobbered. So there goes your plot device excuse. Accept truth. durthing
Namor is clearly a step up from thing, according to feats and the majority of their own encounters. Their last fight wasnt too bad of a showing, seeing as thing needed a plot device [b]and he still didn't win [/B]
Lol, I'm just gonna have to assume the rest of you were joking as well.
Right before thing pinned him with those teeth(which somehow constitutes "incapacitated"😉, Namor was stunned by some unknown variable which thing had nothing to do with(either that fish or a rock). Not only that, but Namor left the water at the same time as thing. So please, someone explain to me what thing did to deserve being deemed the winner in this highly interfered with scuffle?
Originally posted by namorsubbyI agree with most of that but Thing was deemed the winner.
Lol, I'm just gonna have to assume the rest of you were joking as well.Right before thing pinned him with those teeth(which somehow constitutes "incapacitated"😉, Namor was stunned by some unknown variable which thing had nothing to do with(either that fish or a rock). Not only that, but Namor left the water at the same time as thing. So please, someone explain to me what thing did to deserve being deemed the winner in this highly interfered with scuffle?
Sure, but looking at the actual circumstances of this fight, Namor really has nothing to be ashamed of, in light of the fact that Thing simply took advantage of him being stunned by something other than Thing actually hurting him. Even so, I'd deem it a low showing simply because Namor didn't quickly dispatch him in his own element, when he's already proven that he can on land. Hopefully this fight is continued (as it seems it will be), and Namor is done some justice.
Namor no contest.
And the fight with the Thing recently was stupid as shit.
- Thing needs to breath.
- Namor is in a completely different class strength wise, on par with immortal Hercules and such.
- Underwater, he is significantly more maneuverable, he moves less like the Hulk and more like Superman.
- How in the hell did that large fish do more damage to Namor than it did to the Thing? I still don't understand what happened there. Not to mention he can communicate with most sea-life.
I'm a much bigger Avenger's fan but the two wins that they've got so far seem forced.
@Rage.Of.Olympus
Maybe your points aren't valid anymore for current Namor and Thing?
When was the last time it was mentioned that Thing needs to breathe? He's been shown with some odd properties recently. For example, wasn't there a FF issue that showed Thing living for thousands of years? Apparently he doesn't age in rock form, maybe now he doesn't need to breathe in that form either?
Maybe current Thing and current Namor are much closer strength wise than they were in the past? Hell wasn't there an Avengers Initiative issue that said Thing was a Cl100 threat?
Also maybe current Thing is much more durable than current Namor?
I've given up trying to understand what went down that issue.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Namor no contest.And the fight with the Thing recently was stupid as shit.
- Thing needs to breath.
- Namor is in a completely different class strength wise, on par with immortal Hercules and such.
- Underwater, he is significantly more maneuverable, he moves less like the Hulk and more like Superman.
- How in the hell did that large fish do more damage to Namor than it did to the Thing? I still don't understand what happened there. Not to mention he can communicate with most sea-life.I'm a much bigger Avenger's fan but the two wins that they've got so far seem forced.
Pretty much. I thought it was retarded how the fight played out. The thing might as well be a statue to Namor underwater. And Namor's strength exceeds the things by a fair amount underwater. I'd give Namor the win on land also
Originally posted by zopzop
@Rage.Of.OlympusMaybe your points aren't valid anymore for current Namor and Thing?
When was the last time it was mentioned that Thing needs to breathe? He's been shown with some odd properties recently. For example, wasn't there a FF issue that showed Thing living for thousands of years? Apparently he doesn't age in rock form, maybe now he doesn't need to breathe in that form either?
Maybe current Thing and current Namor are much closer strength wise than they were in the past? Hell wasn't there an Avengers Initiative issue that said Thing was a Cl100 threat?
Also maybe current Thing is much more durable than current Namor?
I've given up trying to understand what went down that issue.
I've been keeping up with both characters to an extent (Namor more so than Thing) and I'm pretty sure everything I said stands in current Marvel.
As a matter of fact, Namor in particular has had some great showings in the last half decade. Clearly far beyond Thing level strength wise even on land much less in water.
Speed isn't forgotten either, he was easily swimming faster than the Quinjet could fly IIRC not too long ago, in a straight line.
Maybe Hickman doesn't think Ben ages but that doesn't mean he thinks he doesn't need to breath. Pretty sure the Fantastic Four have worn protective space gear under his pen before.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol, I'm just gonna have to assume the rest of you were joking as well.Right before thing pinned him with those teeth(which somehow constitutes "incapacitated"😉, Namor was stunned by some unknown variable which thing had nothing to do with(either that fish or a rock). Not only that, but Namor left the water at the same time as thing. So please, someone explain to me what thing did to deserve being deemed the winner in this highly interfered with scuffle?
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How long did it take Ben to walk out of the ocean...? 5min, 10min, 20min, 60min... who's to say.
How long did it take Namor to swim from the bottom of the ocean to the top and fly away? With Namor's vaunted swimming prowess 2sec, 3sec, 5sec at the very most.
Let me try and make it easier for you to understand the "WIN" or "LOSE" thought process in this "WIN" for Ben.
GL (Kyle) is fighting Grodd and during the fight Kyle uses a constraint to pin him to the ground. And after that there are no further attacks by either party.
Who wins...?
The answer is the guy with the green ring named Kyle.
Hopefully that helps you see it a little clearer.
The only reason thing was able to "incapacitate" him with those teeth was because of an event which thing had nothing to do with. This fact somehow seems to hold no relevance with you.lol
Namor was in the process of smacking the crap out of thing and he somehow got stunned. Thing then used this to his advantage, and pinned him with teeth. Namor and thing still emerged from the ocean simultaneously, regardless. Thing did nothing to deserve a win.
Originally posted by namorsubby
The only reason thing was able to "incapacitate" him with those teeth was because of an event which thing had nothing to do with. This fact somehow seems to hold no relevance with you.lolNamor was in the process of smacking the crap out of thing and he somehow got stunned. Thing then used this to his advantage, and pinned him with teeth. Namor and thing still emerged from the ocean simultaneously, regardless. Thing did nothing to deserve a win.
Since you're having trouble admitting that Namor got THINGhandled underwater and lost decidedly. Maybe if you throw away your copy of the book it'll be as if nothing ever happened. Here, take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it, you'll feel right as rain.
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Lol. We both know the circumstances of the fight. Therefore, an outright concession from you is not needed. it's right there to see.
Namor smacks thing with a fish, but is stunned by it. Thing sees that and uses an opportunity he'd otherwise never have to pin namor. Namor and thing emerge from water at the same time.
Is this^ not what happened?
Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol. We both know the circumstances of the fight. Therefore, an outright concession from you is not needed. it's right there to see.Namor smacks thing with a fish, but is stunned by it. Thing sees that and uses an opportunity he'd otherwise never have to pin namor. Namor and thing emerge from water at the same time.
Is this^ not what happened?
If it's so cut and dry for you then how come you haven't given us an explanation for my earlier question?
"How long did it take Ben to walk out of the ocean...? 5min, 10min, 20min, 60min... who's to say.
How long did it take Namor to swim from the bottom of the ocean to the top and fly away? With Namor's vaunted swimming prowess 2sec, 3sec, 5sec at the very most."
And what was Namor doing for those potentially 30min before he flew off in fear? Was he KO'd, was he struggling to break free, was he feeding his fish, doing his nails...?
Sincerely, Baited Breath