Zom Strange vs Shuma Gorath

Strange infuses himself with the power of Zom (like he did against WWHulk) and heads off to the Chaos Dimension, as Shuma-Gorath has been taunting him with his impending arrival on Earth.

This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?

Rules: Zom-Strange cannot merge with Shuma for a victory. Battle is won by one destroying the other.

lol

Shuma pwns.

Shuma

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?

If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

Originally posted by Sundipped
If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

It's actually more than that. Little do people know, but when Umar was first introduced she was said to be on the level of Dormammu in power. I can post the scans but I'm not on my main PC now. Anyway, it was this very Umar (with the Flames of Regency and all) that ran for her life from a shackled Zom (he was "melting" all her spells). She fled and sealed the gate she entered from the Dark Dimension behind her. She also hinted of a legend involving Zom and what would happen if he ever broke free from his shackles. She stated that his power "dwarfed hers".

Having said that, there is no more Zom. Every appearance after the LT incinerated him isn't the full Zom but the Zomling. The Zomling can reform into a full Zom but only after it's devoured enough mystic energy to make that happen. I just wanted to put that out there because I get annoyed when people call it Zom/Strange. It's really ZOMLING/Strange. But ZOMLING/Strange was no joke. He owned a room of Meta humans and resurrected himself from the dead!

ZOMLING/Strange for sure can take some wins. But I'd give the majority to Gorath simply because Strange always fights the Zomling's influence and screws himself over.

Shuma stomps

Zomstrange was weak

That's classic Strange. Power levels has changed then and now. Current Shuma wins.

Originally posted by Sundipped
If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

Originally posted by lilshogun
That's classic Strange. Power levels has changed then and now. Current Shuma wins.

WTF has "current" Gorath done? "Current" Gorath has an equilibrium weakeness (as stated on panel)! 😆

I guess its just easier to type Zom Strange idunno.

Originally posted by zopzop
ZOMLING/Strange for sure can take some wins. But I'd give the majority to Gorath simply because Strange always fights the Zomling's influence and screws himself over.

Did you catch this?

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?

Only question is would this mean total access to Zoms power or an incomplete (zomling) manifestation? Either way with these stips I think it would be enough for a solid majority.

Originally posted by lilshogun
That's classic Strange. Power levels has changed then and now. Current Shuma wins.

Doesn't matter. This is Doc (you can use classic or current) with Zom's power.

Originally posted by Sundipped
If this is Doc with total access and control of Zom's powers, he stomps.
No manifestation of Shuma had this kind of impact:

LT had to step in and end the Zom threat. Eternity and Dormammu had to team up just to imprison him.
This means a lot of implied power.

Dormammu was able to put the Chains of Living Bondage on Zom on his own before Eternity sealed him in the amphora, and it's never even said that Zom and Eternity actually battled. Zom was having a hell of a time just trying to beat an inexperienced Strange with A0's power given to him. LT wanted Zom destroyed because of the mystical imbalance, which has nothing to do with Zom being anywhere close to a threat as far as actual power is concerned.

Shuma > Zom and especially Strange with a Zomling inside of him.

SG

Originally posted by Nihilist
Shuma stomps

Zomstrange was weak

Very true.

Or as the skateboarders like to say in here, ZomStrange was "Weaksauce".

Originally posted by CortSether
Dormammu was able to put the Chains of Living Bondage on Zom on his own before Eternity sealed him in the amphora, and it's never even said that Zom and Eternity actually battled. Zom was having a hell of a time just trying to beat an inexperienced Strange with A0's power given to him. LT wanted Zom destroyed because of the mystical imbalance, which has nothing to do with Zom being anywhere close to a threat as far as actual power is concerned.

Shuma > Zom and especially Strange with a Zomling inside of him.

First of all Doramammu used a plot device to chain him off panel. Note: I can set a trap and imprison a bear but this doesn't mean I'm more powerful than the bear. Dormammu is no where near Zom powerwise considering Umar was terrified of him in her own dimension. The only hope Eternity had was bfr.

😂 At Zom struggling. He toyed with a amped Strange. He inadvertently summoned LT by cutting Zoms hair which saved his ass.

I guess you missed this too:

Originally posted by Marvel_Mystic
Strange infuses himself with the power of Zom (like he did against WWHulk) and heads off to the Chaos Dimension, as Shuma-Gorath has been taunting him with his impending arrival on Earth.

This time, Strange will not worry about being consumed by Zom's evil and will go all out in trying to defeat Shuma. Can he take out Shuma in his realm?

As you can see Zomling/Strange travels to the Chaos dimension and
is going all out. Under these conditions, what's stopping Doc from absorbing enough mystical energy to destroy Shuma? The Zomling's power grows due to the amount of energy absorbed. The Chaos dimension would be like a all you can eat buffet for Doc.

Originally posted by Sundipped
First of all Doramammu used a plot device to chain him off panel. Note: I can set a trap and imprison a bear but this doesn't mean I'm more powerful than the bear. Dormammu is no where near Zom powerwise considering Umar was terrified of him in her own dimension. The only hope Eternity had was bfr.

Whoop de doo. Fact is you're overrating Zom by trying to make it seem as if LT wanted Zom gone because of his level of power, when Zom was a nuisance because he created a mystical unbalance by existing in a reality where there was already a Sorcerer Supreme.

And lol at the "the only hope Eternity had was bfr" statement. Dormmamu bound Zom on his own before Eternity imprisoned him in the amphora. Eternity could have just popped up and locked Zom inside the amphora with a mere gesture for all we know.

😂 At Zom struggling. He toyed with a amped Strange. He inadvertently summoned LT by cutting Zoms hair which saved his ass.

Hah. Strange was stalemating Zom even before the Ancient One gave him his power, and he was then able to embarrass him and pull out his forelock that prevented him from detection. Zom couldn't even catch Strange until he let down his guard thinking that he had already won after pulling away the forelock. And we're expected to believe that Zom could have taken on Eternity? 😆

I guess you missed this too:

As you can see Zomling/Strange travels to the Chaos dimension and
is going all out. Under these conditions, what's stopping Doc from absorbing enough mystical energy to destroy Shuma?

Shuma-Gorath.

The Zomling's power grows due to the amount of energy absorbed. The Chaos dimension would be like a all you can eat buffet for Doc.

What magical energy would Zom/Strange even absorb? In case you're forgetting, Shuma can absorb mystical energy like its candy.

Psh, Zom's full manifestation would get owned by Shuma-Gorath.

Originally posted by CortSether
Whoop de doo. Fact is you're overrating Zom by trying to make it seem as if LT wanted Zom gone because of his level of power, when Zom was a nuisance because he created a mystical unbalance by existing in a reality where there was already a Sorcerer Supreme.

And lol at the "the only hope Eternity had was bfr" statement. Dormmamu bound Zom on his own before Eternity imprisoned him in the amphora. Eternity could have just popped up and locked Zom inside the amphora with a mere gesture for all we know.

Hah. Strange was stalemating Zom even before the Ancient One gave him his power, and he was then able to embarrass him and pull out his forelock that prevented him from detection. Zom couldn't even catch Strange until he let down his guard thinking that he had already won after pulling away the forelock. And we're expected to believe that Zom could have taken on Eternity? 😆

Shuma-Gorath.

What magical energy would Zom/Strange even absorb? In case you're forgetting, Shuma can absorb mystical energy like its candy.

Psh, Zom's full manifestation would get owned by Shuma-Gorath.

Everything that you just said is bulls**t.

Originally posted by CortSether
Whoop de doo. Fact is you're overrating Zom by trying to make it seem as if LT wanted Zom gone because of his level of power, when Zom was a nuisance because he created a mystical unbalance by existing in a reality where there was already a Sorcerer Supreme.

Zoms release upset a balance felt across MILLIONS OF GALAXIES as explained by LT, & put them all in danger. Never (to my knowledge) has any mystical being had this kind of influence. Needless to say that for him to even be part of an intricate plan such as this speaks volumes about his power.

Originally posted by CortSether
And lol at the "the only hope Eternity had was bfr" statement. Dormmamu bound Zom on his own before Eternity imprisoned him in the amphora. Eternity could have just popped up and locked Zom inside the amphora with a mere gesture for all we know.

Once again Dormy used a plot device. Even bound Zom displayed great power. Highly unlikely it took only a gesture for Eternity. That would have been noted somewhere in the comic. Most importantly it let's you know Eternity was incapable of destroying Zom flat out. He had to resort to a bfr tactic. Why couldn't he just crush him between two planets like he did Dormy if Zom is such a weakling? 🙄

Originally posted by CortSether
Hah. Strange was stalemating Zom even before the Ancient One gave him his power, and he was then able to embarrass him and pull out his forelock that prevented him from detection. Zom couldn't even catch Strange until he let down his guard thinking that he had already won after pulling away the forelock. And we're expected to believe that Zom could have taken on Eternity? 😆

Stalemate? 😂
Please post these scans. Last time I checked Doc was getting his spells vaporized by Zom. While Zom was still bound.

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You're really trying to pass off Doc as being formidable vs. Zom which is hilarious. Doc (amp and all) could'nt do jack shit but evade Zom briefly. As for Eternity, see above.

Originally posted by CortSether
Shuma-Gorath.

Kneels on all tentacles before Zom/Strange.

Originally posted by CortSether
What magical energy would Zom/Strange even absorb? In case you're forgetting, Shuma can absorb mystical energy like its candy. Psh, Zom's full manifestation would get owned by Shuma-Gorath.

Read the op. He's in the Chaos dimension. A dimension base Strange had no problems absorbing energy from. Now in this thread he's fused with an entity who wants nothing but to feed. Shuma can absorb energy but failed to keep Doc from wtf stomping him in his own dimension, WITH SHUMAS OWN CHAOS ENERGY. Zom at max capacity would waste Shuma. Don't be delusional.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Stalemate? 😂
Please post these scans. Last time I checked Doc was getting his spells vaporized by Zom. [B]While Zom was still bound.

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Did you happen to catch the prophecy in that scan? Nice foreshadowing as to why the LT had to step in and end Zom fast.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you happen to catch the prophecy in that scan? Nice foreshadowing as to why the LT had to step in and end Zom fast.

👆 A prophecy which spans over endless dimensions like Doc said.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Zoms release upset a balance felt across [B]MILLIONS OF GALAXIES as explained by LT, & put them all in danger. Never (to my knowledge) has any mystical being had this kind of influence. Needless to say that for him to even be part of an intricate plan such as this speaks volumes about his power.[/B]

Yet Zom got owned by Dormammu and sealed in a vase. Then in his only real appearance he can't even handle an inexperienced Doc Strange with the Ancient One's power (hell Strange was doing fine even before receiving AO's power) until Strange let his guard down.

Meanwhile, the Ancient One had already considered committing suicide just to prevent Shuma's arrival, and later got forcefully mindraped by Shuma, culminating in a battle between Shuma and Strange that had Strange getting utterly embarrassed and toyed with until he killed the Ancient One's ego to seal Shuma's gateway into Earth.

Heck, the AO-empowered Strange wouldn't even be able to make it to Shuma's agent Arioch's realm without dying, yet that version of Strange was holding his own against Zom.

Once again Dormy used a plot device. Even bound Zom displayed great power. Highly unlikely it took only a gesture for Eternity. That would have been noted somewhere in the comic.

Actually, it most likely took a mere gesture from Eternity to seal Zom away. Dormammu put Zom in chains before Eternity imprisoned Zom. Coupled with the fact that it's never ever stated that Zom and Eternity even battled, that makes it more obvious that Zom's power was infinitesimal in comparison to Eternity. If Zom was powerful enough that Eternity had to fight him to put him down, that would have been noted in the comic. But it wasn't.

Dormammu himself > Zom.

Most importantly it let's you know Eternity was incapable of destroying Zom flat out. He had to resort to a bfr tactic. Why couldn't he just crush him between two planets like he did Dormy if Zom is such a weakling? 🙄

Who knows, why didn't the Living Tribunal destroy Zom entirely instead of just banishing him? 🙄

Stalemate? 😂
Please post these scans. Last time I checked Doc was getting his spells vaporized by Zom. [B]While Zom was still bound.

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You're really trying to pass off Doc as being formidable vs. Zom which is hilarious. Doc (amp and all) could'nt do jack shit but evade Zom briefly. As for Eternity, see above.[/B]

The fact that Strange he was able to evade all of Zom's attacks and even rip off his mystic forelock without getting harmed says to me that Zom is nowhere near the power you're trying to give him credit for having.

Kneels on all tentacles before Zom/Strange.

Hah, no. Shuma-Gorath has done far more than Zom. Shuma's also never been stalemated by a young and inexperienced Doctor Strange lol.

Read the op. He's in the Chaos dimension. A dimension base Strange had no problems absorbing energy from. Now in this thread he's fused with an entity who wants nothing but to feed. Shuma can absorb energy but failed to keep Doc from wtf stomping him in his own dimension, WITH SHUMAS OWN CHAOS ENERGY. Zom at max capacity would waste Shuma. Don't be delusional.

First off, the Zomling's power alone more than likely wouldn't even enable Strange to make it to Shuma's dimension, let alone battle him.

Secondly, even if he did make it to Shuma's realm there's not a chance he'd be able to defeat Shuma. For one, it's against OP rules for Zom/Strange to merge with Shuma. Even if it was allowed, he wouldn't be able to do it as Shuma-Gorath.

Funny that you mention Shuma's defeat by Strange as if it was some casual thing that Strange could do in any situation. Strange needed enormous amounts of prep, including merging with various black magic, also including energy from an Old One, as well as Arioch himself. Also, Shuma-Gorath was the one who forced Strange's merging in the first place. It's even shown on panel as Shuma-Gorath hits Strange and grasps him by the leg, notifying him of the change. Before Strange had Shuma's energy in him he hadn't even been able to hurt the chaos lord. And that's after all his prep time and various mergings (which put him on a level far superior to that of Strange and a zomling, btw). Zom/Strange would get torn apart.

Zom himself would fare no better.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you happen to catch the prophecy in that scan? Nice foreshadowing as to why the LT had to step in and end Zom fast.

It's funny seeing you support that highly hyperbolic prophecy as one who calls everything about Shuma-Gorath mere hyperbole. 😛