Re: Odin vs Cytorakk
Originally posted by ozz81
Both at best who wins this and why?
Cytorrak wins...
Elder God vs Skyfather; Cytorrak is on another level than Odin...
Its not all about feats; implied power matters as well...
Afterall, Love and Hate (both of which are Abstracts) are severely lacking in feats, but based on status alone, one would logically conclude that they'd crush any Skyfather or Elder God with minimal effort...
The same applies here; Elder God>>Skyfather...
Cytorrak 10/10...
I would leave the decisions up to you, but here are possible details to factor into the equation:
1. The "Galactus Factor"
If Cyttorak is at the same level as Agamotto, then he should be able to defeat Odin.
This would be based on battle showings that Odin and Agamotto have had against Galactus.
2. The "Agent of God" Equation.
Also, another telling factor could be the agents of Odin and Cyttorak. Juggernaut and Thor.
I think I have read that the true power of Thor, and, supposedly all of Asgard and it's inhabitants, ultimately comes from Odin.
And, of course, Juggernaut's power comes from Cyttorak.
If this is true, (and, I would leave that decision up to you), then we could look at clashes between Thor and Juggernaut for clues of which power holds the higher standing.
In this case, we would not want to look at strategies, skill or things that are "personality based".
We would want to look at instances where the combat was simply a case of power vs power. Strength vs strength. Durability vs durability. Etc.
Originally posted by Horrificus
I would leave the decisions up to you, but here are possible details to factor into the equation:1.
If Cyttorak is at the same level as Agamotto, then he should be able to defeat Odin.This would be based on battle showings that Odin and Agamotto have had against Galactus.
2.
Also, another telling factor could be the agents of Odin and Cyttorak. Juggernaut and Thor.
I think I have read that the true power of Thor, and, supposedly all of Asgard and it's inhabitants, ultimately comes from Odin.
And, of course, Juggernaut's power comes from Cyttorak.If this is true, (and, I would leave that decision up to you), then we could look at clashes between Thor and Juggernaut for clues of which power holds the higher standing.
In this case, we would not want to look at strategies, skill or things that are "personality based".
We would want to look at instances where the combat was simply a case of power vs power. Strength vs strength. Durability vs durability. Etc.
Really, the only edge I'd give Cyttorak on Odin through the implied power edge is if they fought in the Crimson Cosmos. That's really it, and that's being really generous to Cyttorak to assume he'd be able to handle the premier skyfather in Marvel based on hype and whatnot.
And if you look at their respective agents, Mjolnir was able to forcibly remove an aspect of Juggernaut's Cyttorak given power. And the Odin Force in general seems far more potent than any enchantment or amp the Gem gives.
Marvel should do this, they should have Cyttorak escape from the Crimson Cosmos to show exactly how powerful this entity is. As of now there is really no proof that he can take Odin outside of one tale that it took all of his peers to exile him to the Crimson Cosmos. This was also said to have been done through treachery. It was said that if he was not exiled, that he would have destroyed all of creation.
Originally posted by HorrificusCyt is a multiversal entity IIRC beyond being an elder god. also a single cytorakk is powering every juggernaut across the multiverse... Odin is nowhere near as stretched.
I would leave the decisions up to you, but here are possible details to factor into the equation:1. [b]The "Galactus Factor"
If Cyttorak is at the same level as Agamotto, then he should be able to defeat Odin.This would be based on battle showings that Odin and Agamotto have had against Galactus.
2. The "Agent of God" Equation.
Also, another telling factor could be the agents of Odin and Cyttorak. Juggernaut and Thor.
I think I have read that the true power of Thor, and, supposedly all of Asgard and it's inhabitants, ultimately comes from Odin.
And, of course, Juggernaut's power comes from Cyttorak.If this is true, (and, I would leave that decision up to you), then we could look at clashes between Thor and Juggernaut for clues of which power holds the higher standing.
In this case, we would not want to look at strategies, skill or things that are "personality based".
We would want to look at instances where the combat was simply a case of power vs power. Strength vs strength. Durability vs durability. Etc. [/B]
Originally posted by Horrificus
Is this true?
about 100% sure that is NOT true. cyttorak has been in at least one what if and likely more and there has never been mention of that. pretty sure any feats of cyttorak from that what if would be non-canon. if it were TRUE, any feat from any juggs in any what if would ALSO need to be considered canon... barring a direct scan that says different, i'd say that is absolutely untrue.