Movie Juggernaut Vs Thor

Originally posted by Newjak
It says no force on Earth has been known to stop him.

So what is your argument, Thor isn't from Earth? Please, way to read between the lines.

Lets roll with that for a moment, no force on Earth - that means not even thousands of kilometers of titanium, or a nuclear explosion, or pretty much any other "earthly" object or forces you can think of which far surpasses what Thor can dish out.

Originally posted by Newjak

And after he was trapped he couldn't free himself.

Yes because he couldn't gain momentum, what's your point?

Originally posted by Newjak
He didn't show anything close to the level of power Thor/Hulk did.

What don't you understand about his powerset? It far surpasses that of Hulk or Thor. The fact that there wasn't a challenge great enough to show the extent of his unstoppable force doesn't negate or reduce his clearly defined powers. And as I said, Thor couldn't have replicated Juggernaut's feats.

Originally posted by juggerman
So if Thor is in the air what is that Juggy gonna do? Run around in circles all day? He will stop eventually and Thor would then pound his face off or BFR him.

Or Thor could cause the ground break apart via a "ground pound" and without stable footing Juggs stumbles and falls allowing Thor to "Hammer Time" imposter Juggernaut into oblivion

I didn't say Juggernaut would win, I just really dislike the way Juggernaut is being low-balled because the film "sucked" or how he was portrayed "sucked". I was responding to comments regarding how Juggernaut isn't powerful and how he would be beat by a single strike, and similar rubbish.

What you think he can accomplish and what he has shown are two different things.

If Juggs was so strong then when he punched Wolverine during their fight he should have gone flying (i.e. Hulk vs Thor or Thor vs Ironman where they were all sending eachother flying with their hits).

And if his strength comes from his momentum like you seem to be saying then he is nowhere near as strong as Hulk or Thor since without momentum either one of them could have busted out of those restraints.

So all Thor has to do is wait for Juggy to stop or cause him to fall like i stated earlier and then Juggs is basically powerless and at Thors mercy.

I am a huge Juggernaut fan and if this were comics id give it to Juggs 11/10 but the movie version was just terrible when compared to the real Juggernaut. As a stand alone he wasnt too bad tho

Originally posted by juggerman
What you think he can accomplish and what he has shown are two different things.

Not what I think, what was stated in the film and what was shown.

Originally posted by juggerman
If Juggs was so strong then when he punched Wolverine during their fight he should have gone flying (i.e. Hulk vs Thor or Thor vs Ironman where they were all sending eachother flying with their hits).

Yes that was a low-showing for him. BTW I've never mentioned his strength. This takes nothing away from his invulnerability, which has been the focus of this discussion.

Originally posted by juggerman

And if his strength comes from his momentum like you seem to be saying then he is nowhere near as strong as Hulk or Thor since without momentum either one of them could have busted out of those restraints.

Fair statement, but we don't know what the metals/technologies were that held him in place. But note although he is strong, his power isn't "strength" its "unstoppability" and invulnerability by extension.

Originally posted by juggerman
So all Thor has to do is wait for Juggy to stop or cause him to fall like i stated earlier and then Juggs is basically powerless and at Thors mercy.

Incorrect, Juggernaut couldn't break out of his prison because he was completely immobilized to stop him from gaining ANY momentum. Simply standing still would not prevent him using his powers.

Take a look here:

YouTube video

Watch the whole video but pay attention to 0:10. He is phased into the ground, meaning he is idle, but he can still move and thus his powers are still active and he can bust out. Also quite a durability feat as anyone else should've died being phased into solid objects.

I don't see Thor busting into that prison the way Juggernaut did, the whole island is shaking in his wake (0:14). Also I don't think Thor would've been able to bust out after being phased into the ground (if he survives) in the way Juggernaut did.

As a side note, I found it particularly badass how Dark Phoenix actually takes note of him when he moves into action (0:14), like she recognises this guy is a legitimate powerhouse. That's just my interpretation though.

Originally posted by juggerman

I am a huge Juggernaut fan and if this were comics id give it to Juggs 11/10 but the movie version was just terrible when compared to the real Juggernaut. As a stand alone he wasnt too bad tho

He is no comic juggernaut, but his powerset still makes him a formidable force, he isn't getting one-shotted by anyone, especially not when his unstoppability is active.

UNSTOPPABILITY AND INVULNERABILITY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!!!!

Tho after reading your well thought out explaination i have to agree with you completely.

Well played.

I hate how they forgot where Juggernaut power came from in that movie.

Well they had to make him a mutant since explaining his power might have been too much to do plus it would have taken away from the dreadful storyline

Originally posted by juggerman
Well they had to make him a mutant since explaining his power might have been too much to do plus it would have taken away from the dreadful storyline

true

Originally posted by Placidity
Nothing to suggest Juggs isn't highly invulnerable. In fact the fact he is unstoppable once in motion does mean he is invulnerable when in motion. Kinda pointless debate.

Originally posted by Placidity
Nothing to suggest Juggs isn't highly invulnerable. In fact the fact he is unstoppable once in motion does mean he is invulnerable when in motion. Kinda pointless debate.

only problem is, he got caught. how? who knows, but still, he got caught.

also, we go by feats, and he did nothing that would suggest that he could survive a strike from thor. goes both ways.

if you want to go the implied shit, then fury said that they were working on a nuke type weapon using the teserak because of Thor. take note, because of Thor, they viewed him as one hell of a threat that hey needed to try and develop a nuke type weapon just to take on Thor. That would imply that Thor is the greatest threat that they have evern encountered prior to the alien invasion.

Take note, Thor and no little pussy mutant, Thor.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not what I think, what was stated in the film and what was shown.

The data on Jugs said something like "no power on Earth can stop him" right? So what? You really take some hearsay one character reads about another as proof that Jugg's power has no limits? That's not wise.

Look instead at what he actually did. True, we never saw his upper limit, but we have to judge him by what we can prove. He showed some strength and some durability. Neither of which matches Thor's ability to tank and dish out. This is based on what we actually see on screen, not heresay.

Also quite a durability feat as anyone else should've died being phased into solid objects.

We don't know that phasing works like that the X-men films. If it did, even after he busted out, his legs and arms should still be part concrete, after all.

he isn't getting one-shotted by anyone, especially not when his unstoppability is active.

Even if "unstoppability" is in fact a superpower with no limits and not just a hyperbolic description with only low-end feats to back if up, what's stopping Thor from hitting him in whatever direction Jugg's is already moving? He doesn't have to "stop" Juggs, just knock him out. If Jugg's body continues to move after he's lost consciousness, I don't think Thor will mind.

Juggernaut technically hasn't been struck by lightning and has no feats to prove he would survive or not survive it. Basically everyone is arguing based on Opinion rather than Evidence.

My OPINION is Thor would take him out. This is based on the fact that Thor has delt out far more than I saw Juggernaut weather. Whether Juggernaut is ACTUALLY invulnerable whilst in motion is up for Debate, unfortunately that debate will never have an end.

Probably won't count. But in a deleted scene, Wolverine stabbed Jugg's helmet and had Storm hit them with a lightning bolt. Juggernaut fell out.

Wasn't juggernauts "no force on earth can stop him when hes in motion" proved wrong when he was running at Kitty and the bald kid and he robbed juggs of his powers and he hit the wall. Wouldn't the bald kid count as a force on earth that can stop him even when hes in motion.

As a mutant, Juggernaut had his powers drained by Leech. Any other time he was unstoppable, but Leech basically turned people human.

Originally posted by KingD19
As a mutant, Juggernaut had his powers drained by Leech. Any other time he was unstoppable, but Leech basically turned people human.

Movie Juggernaut is weaksauce.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo

if you want to go the implied shit

No, not implied. Directly stated. Based on what we know about the comic version, and the powers shown and stated on the film, I find it amazing how people can assert otherwise without ANY evidence, but just their biased opinions. The tactics and flawed logic used is just sad.