Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is really strange is that in the Lotus Sutra there is mention of a Dragon King who lives under the sea. I wonder if Christianity took that idea from Buddhism without realizing that it was only a metaphor?
Told you the devil had an underwater city.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587086.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=7#post14512113
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510871 (click here if you can handle the Truth)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510888
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587049.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510387#post14510387
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510685#post14510685
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510714
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510772
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The dragon king is not the devil. The dragon king is not real.
But the devil is real.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587086.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=7#post14512113
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510871 (click here if you can handle the Truth)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510888
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587049.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510387#post14510387
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510685#post14510685
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510714
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510772
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Personifications are not real.
You've been lied to.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587086.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=586713&pagenumber=7#post14512113
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510871 (click here if you can handle the Truth)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510888
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t587049.html
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510387#post14510387
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14510685#post14510685
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510714
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=587086&pagenumber=1#post14510772
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Christianity co-opted so much from other religions it's a wonder any of it is recognizable at this point. Even the 'Golden Rule' predates Christianity by a thousand years or so.
Can you be more specific?
Golden Rule? There's no such animal.
Treating people the way you wish to be treated, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is not a golden rule--it's common sense.
Lord Jesus was teaching us common sense.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you be more specific?Golden Rule? There's no such animal.
Treating people the way you wish to be treated, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is not a golden rule--it's common sense.
Lord Jesus was teaching us common sense.
If you've spent your entire life using confirmation bias to just find things that verify what you already believe and excluding anything that doesn't, you won't ever know anything else. In the age of the internet, this is a selective and willful ignorance. In this case, I brought up that the Golden Rule is not unique to Jesus; you've attempted semantics by saying it is 'mere common sense' without doing any research on your own part or even being aware of the evidence in my favor.
Even the most basic of Google searches can show you that this "common sense" concept predates Christianity, and it's not the only idea to do so. There is a concept known as syncretism that explains why Christianity is neither pure nor more accurate than any other religious worldviews, since it is altered or modified slightly to make it more appealing to new converts throughout history. This is why the Assumption of Mary is actually a converted ritual to Isis, or Christmas owes some of its traditions to both Germanic pagans and Roman Saturnalia. Even Jesus' more benevolent practices following the Golden Rule are not unique to Christianity and were probably co-opted at some point.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
If you've spent your entire life using confirmation bias to just find things that verify what you already believe and excluding anything that doesn't, you won't ever know anything else. In the age of the internet, this is a selective and willful ignorance. In this case, I brought up that the Golden Rule is not unique to Jesus; you've attempted semantics by saying it is 'mere common sense' without doing any research on your own part or even being aware of the evidence in my favor.Even the most basic of Google searches can show you that this "common sense" concept predates Christianity, and it's not the only idea to do so. There is a concept known as syncretism that explains why Christianity is neither pure nor more accurate than any other religious worldviews, since it is altered or modified slightly to make it more appealing to new converts throughout history. This is why the Assumption of Mary is actually a converted ritual to Isis, or Christmas owes some of its traditions to both Germanic pagans and Roman Saturnalia. Even Jesus' more benevolent practices following the Golden Rule are not unique to Christianity and were probably co-opted at some point.
I'm trying to tell you that the "golden rule" is not a Christian concept.
It's just plain old common sense.
You're the one referring to it as a golden rule, and as a Christian concept--when it is not.
The assumption of Mary?
This is not Christian doctrine.
I think you are confusing heretical, untenable, unscriptural Catholic doctrine with Christianity.
They are as different as night and day.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I'm trying to tell you that the "golden rule" is not a Christian concept.It's just plain old common sense.
You're the one referring to it as a golden rule, and as a Christian concept--when it is not.
The assumption of Mary?
This is not Christian doctrine.
I think you are confusing heretical, untenable, unscriptural Catholic doctrine with Christianity.
They are as different as night and day.
Let's back up a second.
I said this:
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Christianity co-opted so much from other religions it's a wonder any of it is recognizable at this point. Even the 'Golden Rule' predates Christianity by a thousand years or so.
An assertion I made because of something you should be aware of: Matthew 22:37-40 and Matthew 7:12...
Matthew 22:37-40
King James Version (KJV)
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
[...]
Matthew 7:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
^ This is the Golden Rule, in scripture. Which was my point, that it is a recycled idea and did not come from Jesus alone. Your reply, which showed a considerable amount of unwilling to view this concept, was this:
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Can you be more specific?Golden Rule? There's no such animal.
Treating people the way you wish to be treated, or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you is not a golden rule--it's common sense.
Lord Jesus was teaching us common sense.
"There's no such animal" And "Lord Jesus was teaching us common sense" were your replies.
This does not alter what I have said so much as outright ignore it or try to reclassify it so that my point is less relevant. So I gave you additional examples off of the top of my head.
The Assumption of Mary is dogma to Catholics, the original Christian sect (which survived, them pesky Gnostics got steamrolled along with anyone else too radical for church leaders) and if you're not calling them Christians, I'd like for you to write all of the dictionaries in the world to update their works:
[list]Chris·ti·an·i·ty
ˌkrisCHēˈanitē/
noun
1.
the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices.[/list]
^ Is that not succinct enough for you or do you have a monopoly not only on spiritual truth but on who can believe in Christ "just right"? There are more versions of Christianity than there are colored Christmas lights in Wal-Mart, so I don't get how you can make this claim arbitrarily.
Second, you totally ignored Saturnalia. I assume because you refused to educate yourself on it and dismissed it out of hand.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Let's back up a second.I said this:
An assertion I made because of something you should be aware of: Matthew 22:37-40 and Matthew 7:12...
Matthew 22:37-40
King James Version (KJV)
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
[...]
Matthew 7:12
King James Version (KJV)
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.^ This is the Golden Rule, in scripture. Which was my point, that it is a recycled idea and did not come from Jesus alone. Your reply, which showed a considerable amount of unwilling to view this concept, was this:
"There's no such animal" And "Lord Jesus was teaching us common sense" were your replies.
This does not alter what I have said so much as outright ignore it or try to reclassify it so that my point is less relevant. So I gave you additional examples off of the top of my head.
The Assumption of Mary is dogma to Catholics, the original Christian sect (which survived, them pesky Gnostics got steamrolled along with anyone else too radical for church leaders) and if you're not calling them Christians, I'd like for you to write all of the dictionaries in the world to update their works:
[list]Chris·ti·an·i·ty
ˌkrisCHēˈanitē/
noun
1.
the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices.[/list]^ Is that not succinct enough for you or do you have a monopoly not only on spiritual truth but on who can believe in Christ "just right"? There are more versions of Christianity than there are colored Christmas lights in Wal-Mart, so I don't get how you can make this claim arbitrarily.
Second, you totally ignored Saturnalia. I assume because you refused to educate yourself on it and dismissed it out of hand.
The golden rule is not a Christian concept.
Jesus never even called it the golden rule. So, your point that it predates Christianity is invalid.
Jesus was teaching His disciples common sense.
Just because people refer to it as the golden rule does not make it so.
They simply took something that Jesus said and wrapped it in their own terminology.
I knew what you were referring to.
That was not the issue.
I'm just telling you that it is not a golden rule.
It is the Word of God. Scripture. And it is simply common sense.
Hence, Jesus never called it the golden rule.
People did.
No, Catholics are not Christians.
There are so many anti-Christian doctrines in Catholicism that I don't know how you can call it original anything related to Jesus, or Christianity.
Their teachings are so off base that none of it resembles what Jesus told His disciples.
Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity--from a Biblical standpoint.
Christians simply celebrate the birth of our Lord on a specific date.
There's nothing pagan about that.
Maybe all of the other things associated with Christmas are pagan, but the birth of our Lord is recorded in Scripture--so it is not pagan.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The golden rule is not a Christian concept.
Incorrect. I have demonstrated that the concept and expected practices comes directly from the scriptures. In two examples, no less.
Jesus never even called it the golden rule. So, your point that it predates Christianity is invalid.
Semantic nonsense. If I kill someone but call it the art of kumbai, it is not automatically something different; it is still killing. Don't muddy the waters in an attempt to hide the fact here.
Jesus was teaching His disciples common sense.
Where in the scripture does God or Jesus use the term "common sense"? Are you even aware of what semantics are?
Just because people refer to it as the golden rule does not make it so.They simply took something that Jesus said and wrapped it in their own terminology.
The concepts are identical. See above. The art of kumbai is something I made up just now, and it is synonymous with killing. It is not more or less valid than killing if the act which it describes is identical in form and nature. Your attempt at semantic failure makes me wonder how you can even comprehend something as large and complex as the Bible.
I knew what you were referring to.
Again, this is the Age of Information. Your inability to take sixty seconds before you hit reply and educate yourself is not my failing but yours.
That was not the issue.I'm just telling you that it is not a golden rule.
It is the Word of God. Scripture. And it is simply common sense.
Hence, Jesus never called it the golden rule.
People did.
This is ridiculous. I can see why you rely heavily on youtube videos and links to prior arguments, because you cannot actually differentiate between abstract concepts like "common sense", "golden rule" and "semantics".
No, Catholics are not Christians.There are so many anti-Christian doctrines in Catholicism that I don't know how you can call it original anything related to Jesus, or Christianity.
Their teachings are so off base that none of it resembles what Jesus told His disciples.
Your signature should better preface which Christians are legit, so they can immediately be aware of your dismissive attitude.
Christmas has nothing to do with Christianity--from a Biblical standpoint.Christians simply celebrate the birth of our Lord on a specific date.
There's nothing pagan about that.
Maybe all of the other things associated with Christmas are pagan, but the birth of our Lord is recorded in Scripture--so it is not pagan.
Comically missing the point.