Unless this is Edo Raikage (who only takes it with regen/immortality and power that is not part of his standard abilities), Whitebeard rapes.
Island-busting quakes >>> A Rikudou-enhanced Rasen Shuriken (which is as damaging to like what... a city block or two?) which the former Raikage tanked largely due to his Edo status at the expense of his armor. Whitebeard can pull off weaker quakes that can one-shot him.
In terms of speed, they're almost even with the Raikage having more of an advantage (unless we apply powerscaling in which Whitebeard is slightly faster) given his ability to keep up with the Admirals in combat and moved through the battlefield and appeared behind Akainu with an attack prepared so fast that the admiral who has superhuman hearing didn't even notice him until someone yelled for him to look behind him (not that it prevented Akainu from being smashed in the head).
Squardo piercing through him via a cheap shot = Clear-cut PIS or that the sword's cutting power >> the Nukite. Let's go with PIS.
Whitebeard was durable enough to somewhat tank a direct magma fist attack from a bloodlusted Akainu to the chest while unguarded (a similiar attack was able to easily evaporate a massive iceberg thrown by Jozu) and while he was suffering from a heart attack and had a large hole in his chest and held massive endurance given he also tanked having half of his head burned off by a magma attack from Akainu and hundreds of weapons hitting him. Raikage has shown nothing that will be able to significantly harm Whitebeard.
WB takes it.
sland-busting quakes >>> A Rikudou-enhanced Rasen Shuriken (which is as damaging to like what... a city block or two?) which the former Raikage tanked largely due to his Edo status at the expense of his armor. Whitebeard can pull off weaker quakes that can one-shot him.
Uh, I will note the quakes are *not* that concentrated against a single target. Sure, they have a lot of power, but they don't obliterate foes in one hit. The giant hit wasn't splattered and the quake went on way past him, i.e. a lot of the power just passes through the target.
It's his actual Haki hits that deal the most individual damage.
Originally posted by Q99Congratulations, you just proved that the giant Vice-Admiral is very durable.
Uh, I will note the quakes are *not* that concentrated against a single target. Sure, they have a lot of power, but they don't obliterate foes in one hit. The giant hit wasn't splattered and the quake went on way past him, i.e. a lot of the power just passes through the target.It's his actual Haki hits that deal the most individual damage.
Anyway Whitebeard crushes him.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
whitebeard can barely hurt him while raikage can easily smash him aroung if squardo's sword pierced him. Raikage is faster as well and way more durable whitebeard is outclassed.
Can't hurt him? The side effect of a Sick, Mortally wounded Whitebeard's quake punch on Akainu pretty much split Marineford in two... Whitebeard has a definite edge in destructive power here...
http://www.mangareader.net/103-47876-13/one-piece/chapter-576.html
As seen here, Whitebeard's ability to soak up damage is massive, not forgetting Akainu's Magma Fist to the face and chest... yeah, the Raikage ain't taking him down easily
The high-tier One Piece Characters are generally caled to be Mach 20 or higher, and this holds for Whitebeard, considering he managed to intercept Kizaru and get behind Akainu
Originally posted by NemeBro
Congratulations, you just proved that the giant Vice-Admiral is very durable.
He is very durable, but the point still stands- the quake's energy does *not* stay focused on the target. Most of it went way beyond the giant VA and unleashed it's power elsewhere.
It's like with Pain when he did in city-crush. While that is plenty to kill most people, all you need to do to survive is withstand the part that hits *you*.
Originally posted by Q99
Uh, I will note the quakes are *not* that concentrated against a single target. Sure, they have a lot of power, but they don't obliterate foes in one hit. The giant hit wasn't splattered and the quake went on way past him, i.e. a lot of the power just passes through the target.It's his actual Haki hits that deal the most individual damage.
Sure, but it was still able to split an island. Even if a substantial portion of the power passes through the target and is directed to the ground, that person will have to tank at the very least most of the power of the quake before it passes through them, something that Akainu was able to accomplish against Whitebeard's strongest quake while in a critically injured state. The other cases were people survive and something else gets destroyed instead was because they could take those weaker quakes. Whitebeard's quakes is a concentrated force whose power quickly expands upon contact. Pain's gravity attack was spread out from the very beginning. It was an attack with a massive area of effect.
And the Raikage's durability is nowhere near Akainu's tanking abilities... or Whitebeard's.
Sure, but it was still able to split an island. Even if a substantial portion of the power passes through the target and is directed to the ground, that person will have to tank at the very least most of the power of the quake before it passes through them,
Not really- all of the quakes extended well beyond the target.
Think about it, when it's used on the ground itself, it all goes through the first part of the ground hit but that section isn't made way wider than most of the chasm made. The power is spread out evenly along the path of destruction.
Most of the power is passing through but doesn't use itself on the target.
It does increase the destruction done to the target, it's just never been shown as being concentrated.
Originally posted by Q99
Not really- all of the quakes extended well beyond the target.Think about it, when it's used on the ground itself, it all goes through the first part of the ground hit but that section isn't made way wider than most of the chasm made. The power is spread out evenly along the path of destruction.
Most of the power is passing through but doesn't use itself on the target.
It does increase the destruction done to the target, it's just never been shown as being concentrated.
I will need to saw scans of the more generic quakes. We can't really judge how much quake power is divided since there are 3 mediums it can be directed to; the air, the target itself, and the ground. We see Whitebeard with a bubble aura around his fist, and when he hits something upon contact, the ground splits, the air shatters, and the target of course feels the impact of the attack. That impact can be consisted of the raw punch of Whitebeard and the shockwave generated. Regardless, the Raikage won't be tanking a strong quake punch.
We can't really judge how much quake power is divided since there are 3 mediums it can be directed to; the air, the target itself, and the ground.
Well, that's sort of my point- it is spread between those mediums *every time*. You can't scale it's damage to an individual based on it's area effect damage because it's always divided, even when Whitebeard is aiming at people he hates and is trying to kill.
Regardless, the Raikage won't be tanking a strong quake punch.
Blackbeard did, and a hit from Luffy was able to hurt him while being no-where near island busting.
Originally posted by Q99
Well, that's sort of my point- it is spread between those Blackbeard did, and a hit from Luffy was able to hurt him while being no-where near island busting.
Being hurt by Luffy is no low feat, he also decked Garp and resisted a hit from a Gigantic Budha. We also know for a fact BB also faced Ace's Entei without suffering severe wounds, Blackbeard has pretty high end durability as far as One Piece goes.
Originally posted by Bentley
Being hurt by Luffy is no low feat,
It is massively massively less than island busting, though.
Blackbeard has pretty high end durability as far as One Piece goes.
But, notably, said hits he's taken that have hurt him some, are a tiny fraction of 'island destroying force concentrated on target' that people are claiming.
His reaction to Whitebeard's hit also wasn't all that much worse than to some of those other hits.
Originally posted by Bentley
Considering that Luffy casually splits ships in half,
Not that casually- a battleship hit by Gear 3 didn't sink, and he didn't use Gear 3 on BB.
he can easily reach mountaing boosting strength when facing BB.
Uh, pre-timeskip Luffy has never shown near mountain-busting power with single hits, especially not in base form.
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Point is, Whitebeard's quake hits have never been shown to concentrate their power in the manner being suggested. Now, his basic muscle hits are already strong, and Haki even more-so, so the quake going through the person on top of that still makes them incredibly powerful blows, but it is not the one-hit takedown people are suggestion (and especially not at a distance).