Joker Vs Kingpin

Each gets one year prep.

Joker, by virtue of being less predictable. Kingpin's motives are saner, which makes him easier to figure out, IMO.

be way cooler with no prep. without prep i think this would be bloody. kp is obviously stronger and more skilled, but the flower could play havoc with the big man and make this an insanely bloody fight.

Kingpin, based on the fact that he has way, way more ressources than Joker

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Kingpin, based on the fact that he has way, way more ressources than Joker

Joker knows alot of stuff some even Ra's Al Ghoul dont. Then there was there are the times he can seem to black mail anyone. he also stole a nuke once.

Originally posted by TheMask
Joker knows alot of stuff some even Ra's Al Ghoul dont. Then there was there are the times he can seem to black mail anyone. he also stole a nuke once.

Kingpin got metahumans on his payroll

Im sure if the Joker wanted he could do the same.

Joker is overated this unpredicatble thing is greatly exaggerated. It doesn't give him an advantage.

Originally posted by Deadline
Joker is overated this unpredicatble thing is greatly exaggerated. It doesn't give him an advantage.

Based on what?

He is Batmans nemesis for years. He has given even the JLA trouble if he isnt a world class criminal then why be Batmans Nemesis? Personally If Batman went Punisher on him it would be better and the nemesis thing would be all over.

Originally posted by TheMask
Based on what?

He is Batmans nemesis for years. He has given even the JLA trouble if he isnt a world class criminal then why be Batmans Nemesis? Personally If Batman went Punisher on him it would be better and the nemesis thing would be all over.

You kinda just answered your own question there, bud. If Batman just shot him, he'd cease to be a recurring enemy.

I highly doubt the Kingpin would deliver him to Arkham.

physically I guess Kingpin wins, but I give any prep scenario to Joker. His intellect's up there with Batman, from what I can remember. He's just insane, that's the only reason why he isn't running a criminal empire on the Luthor scale.

I guess it depends on what their goals are.

To destroy the other's empire?

Kingpin.

To create maximum chaos and see who can kill the most people?

Joker.

Originally posted by Deadline
Joker is overated this unpredicatble thing is greatly exaggerated. It doesn't give him an advantage.

Originally posted by TheMask
Based on what?

He is Batmans nemesis for years. He has given even the JLA trouble if he isnt a world class criminal then why be Batmans Nemesis? Personally If Batman went Punisher on him it would be better and the nemesis thing would be all over.

He actually does similar stuff all the time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You kinda just answered your own question there, bud. If Batman just shot him, he'd cease to be a recurring enemy.

I highly doubt the Kingpin would deliver him to Arkham.

Originally posted by SamZED
You know the opposite it true as well. Joker had gazillion opportunities to murder the entire batfamily many times over. CIS.
I really dont like these what if scenaios. If Batman was out to kill Joker then Joker wouldve simply been more cousious. Just adding an Anti-hero/vigilante to the universe wont change anything. How many anti-heroes exist in Marvel? And yet somehow all the big baddies are still alive. Kingpin, Hood, osborn, Bullseye etc. and Joker is craftier than any of them. It was shown that when he puts his mind to it he's very hard to find, let alone kill. He can set traps, use innocents as baits/shield, recruit supervillains, posion entire cities etc. Who's to tell what he can come up with if he gets a year of prep.

True, dat. I guess I just use the Red Hood as the example of what happens when someone puts their mind to it - although you could argue he WANTED to be caught. Hush was another example.

Joker wins.

Joker.

joker is a joke. kingpin is a pin

put pin in joke = strike

Joker all day.

A strength advantage means nothing when your lungs are full of poison and acid is burning your face off.

Unpredictability is a huge advantage here since you cant make a fool proof plan if you have no idea how the Joker will opporate. Plus Joker outsmarts and out manuvers some of the worlds greatest minds (Batman, Lex Luthor, Superman) so Kingpin will not out think Joker ever.

If it were just H2H Kingpin takes it easy but with any prep Kingpin falls and falls hard