^^^ Was said reality warper fighting according to forum rules? I.E...
The "No PIS" Rule
PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
And...
Full Capacity It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed. It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Or this...
Clarification of CIS
Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the SilverSurfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people liketheSurfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't,though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages.Ifthataverage manor woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque. stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though,the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.
@Dmills
You need proof then. Show me a reality warper of Sphnix's power beating Thanos on panel. I can show you Thanos beating someone far more powerful than the Sphinx who can warp reality on panel. That's the difference. I debate based on what I read while others debate based on what they want to happen.
Originally posted by quanchi112
@DmillsYou need proof then. Show me a reality warper of Sphnix's power beating Thanos on panel. I can show you Thanos beating someone far more powerful than the Sphinx who can warp reality on panel. That's the difference. I debate based on what I read while others debate based on what they want to happen.
You have an unique definition of "proof" Quan lol. Circular reasoning. False dilemmas and all.
Classic Sphinx vs The FF and Inhumans...
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After that is when the King ambushes him...
The Sphinx warped Egypt into a super power.
Takes Firestars full power blast to the chest (all available electromagnetic energy in the atmosphere) just to see what she's got... Some other interesting tidbits in the dialogue as well.
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The two Sphinx's, Meryet the female and the true Sphinx, Anuth merge into one Sphinx...
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Those two Sphinx's make up the being of the current incarnation...
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Meryet is the female counterpart who gained a large portion of the original Sphinx's powers. She's the one that warped 616 into her own vision of the way things should be. You'd have to read the arc to understand how thoroughly she altered reality and time. The Egyptian gods seemed to have replaced the Asgardian gods in prominence, some heroes had been completely depowered and were living normal lives. Captains America was a dark skinned dude lol. Firelord was a woman. Horus replaced Thor etc. Interestingly, only Nova and to a lessor degree, Iron Man realized something was wrong with the way things were.
Meryet takes on just about every significant hero and villain on Earth. Starts wiping them out right off the bat... (something Thanos would need the Infinity gauntlet or some other artifact to do 😉
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Warps 616 back to normal...
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And in true keeping with his motives, after reclaiming all of his power he gives her the key to defeating him.
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I'll be back after work to post more scans. Eye beams that transcend time thus bypassing shields, strength, ability to pick opponents off at literally any "time" he chooses etc.
Originally posted by quanchi112
@DmillsYou need proof then. Show me a reality warper of Sphnix's power beating Thanos on panel. I can show you Thanos beating someone far more powerful than the Sphinx who can warp reality on panel. That's the difference. I debate based on what I read while others debate based on what they want to happen.
I can give you a scan of Wolverine owning a reality warper, you need to be less open ended than that to have a solid point.
Originally posted by dmillsThanos purposely didn't kill her. He could have but in that situation she is more deadly due to not being vulnerable through a body.
[b]And that's BeCause what worked on that person wouLd alsO work on the Sphinx who's KA stone not only Gives hIm elite level telepathy but also proteCts his mind? Cool. [/B]
Originally posted by BentleyThanos' showings are considerably higher than Wolverine's. Thanos has also resisted reality warping before on panel.
I can give you a scan of Wolverine owning a reality warper, you need to be less open ended than that to have a solid point.
