Itachi vs Orochimaru

Originally posted by socool8520
How does he deal with a giant forest coming at him? Or a tidal wave. Or both at the same time. amaterasu doesn't burn things that quickly and his sword and susan'o can't block everything. Could he eke out the win, sure, but if Oro pulls the two kages out on him, it's gonna be hard fought.

Burn down the forest, cut it down, or just block it with Susano'o, like Hiruzen did with his Enma-cage.
Itachi is at the very least capable of replicating ET Tobirama's best and only offensive feat

ET Tobirama and ET Hashirama have nothing on Itachi.

He can cut down an entire forest quicker than Hashirama can push it at him? Really? Also, his susan'o can handle that force? Madara's was broken punctured by a punch from A. I hardly see Itachi's susan'o being better than Madaras. I mean it took several naruto clones with big ball rasengans to neutralize the tech. There is no way a susan'o trumps that. come on now.

Itachi's Susano'o stood up to this:

YouTube video

Itachi's Susano'o>Madara's.

I think Hashirama's forest technique>than lightning bolt. I thought we weren't allowed to use anime as a reference. I'm not against it, I just thought that was da rules.

It's not.

And since that isn't filler, it's fine for me to use it. The same thing happened in the manga.

On a side note, **** was Kirin awesome. I want to see it again so badly.

Originally posted by socool8520
He can cut down an entire forest quicker than Hashirama can push it at him? Really?

Yes he can, given Susano'o's speed.

Originally posted by socool8520
Also, his susan'o can handle that force?

Yes, his Susano'o can easily handle that force. If some monkey staff cage can stand up to it, Itachi's Susano'o certainly can.

Originally posted by socool8520
Madara's was broken punctured by a punch from A. I hardly see Itachi's susan'o being better than Madaras.

Madara's was broken by an amped punch from A. Previously, A couldn't so much as scratch Madara's base Susano'o. Madara's Susano'o has shown nothing that puts it above Itachi's. Sasuke's, yes, but not Itachi's. Itachi's Susano'o has withstood a small mountain busting attack.

Originally posted by socool8520
I mean it took several naruto clones with big ball rasengans to neutralize the tech. There is no way a susan'o trumps that. come on now.

ET Hashirama's usage of Wood release was pathetically inferior to Madara's usage of Wood release. It's why nearly everyone says that the Hiruzen-Oro fight was hurt immensely by the power creep.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
It's not.

And since that isn't filler, it's fine for me to use it. The same thing happened in the manga.

On a side note, **** was Kirin awesome. I want to see it again so badly.

Wait. You mean it's OK or you can't do it? Cuz I think Nemebro told me anime was off limits in discussions.

I agree Kirin is a great prep ability. Ant the fact it can't be used often unless storms are already occurring, makes me like it more. However if sasuke starts spamming it in the future, I will be upset.

If it happened in the manga and the anime doesn't add anything, then it is fine.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yes he can, given Susano'o's speed.

Yes, his Susano'o can easily handle that force. If some monkey staff cage can stand up to it, Itachi's Susano'o certainly can.

Madara's was broken by an amped punch from A. Previously, A couldn't so much as scratch Madara's base Susano'o. Madara's Susano'o has shown nothing that puts it above Itachi's. Sasuke's, yes, but not Itachi's. Itachi's Susano'o has withstood a small mountain busting attack.

ET Hashirama's usage of Wood release was pathetically inferior to Madara's usage of Wood release. It's why nearly everyone says that the Hiruzen-Oro fight was hurt immensely by the power creep.

We must also consider the area they were fighting in as well. Obviously, he couldn't create a more powerful wood release on a rooftop enclosed in a barrier. Madara was literally in a desert with no real limitation. Same for the second Hokage. I truly believe that they would have much more impressive attacks in a different setting.

Also, Hashirama could root him up from under the ground and push him out of susan'o. I guess it would be a matter of can the two hokage dodge the sword long enough for that susan'o to wear off from Itachi's fatigue.

Originally posted by socool8520
We must also consider the area they were fighting in as well. Obviously, he couldn't create a more powerful wood release on a rooftop enclosed in a barrier. Madara was literally in a desert with no real limitation. Same for the second Hokage. I truly believe that they would have much more impressive attacks in a different setting.

Who knows. We can only go off what we saw. Based on what we saw in that fight, ET Hashirama and ET Tobirama were not very impressive, not with the standards Naruto currently has, and wouldn't have been very impressive in any other setting.
We know Hashirama was obviously far more powerful than he was depicted in that fight, so the logical choice is to conclude that Orochimaru was f***ing around and wanted Hiruzen to suffer psychologically.

I can agree with that. But we do know that at the time, Hashirama>Madara, and Madara>Itachi, although now it seems up for grabs. lol So in essence, hashiramu should stomp Itachi. I'm not saying that Itachi couldn't seal the two hokages, in fact, with them holding back somewhat due to fight against their will, I'm positive that Itachi coud. My only argument, if you go back that far, is that it would not be with little effort or great ease as someone stated.

I think itachi could probably kill orochimaru without using amaterasu or susano.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Itachi's Susano'o>Madara's.

I'm glad to see this changed for the better.