Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Which is still a part of his own power set for one thing and it was the one and only time he needed to do so in order to match Superman physically in comics.Him using the Stamina of Atlas to amp his physical strength, if you want to assume that he absolutely needs to in order to match Superman's strength, which would be kind of silly considering all the other times he didn't need to, it wouldn't be a strike against him. No more than Silver Surfer using the Power Cosmic to augment his strength or Cable using telekinesis or Hulk getting angrier or any other self producing amp any other character in comics has.
The point is using that scene as evidence for Superman beating him once he stops holding back and without breaking a sweat is disingenuous and faulty due to the context involved, context being Mary and Freddy being powered up and therefore forcing the totality of the Power of Shazam to be split amongst the three of them instead of Billy having all of it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which still denotes that the default strength of cap is below superman like everytime else. If you want to go technical, its before superman realised that he has mental blocks to supress his true strength. So a handicapped superman stalemated an all out amping captain marvel. Considering how characters' powers vary from writer to writer and its right along the general portrayal of superman/captain marvel rivalry, I don't understand why its so surprising that superman was depicted as superior to cap.
I'm pretty sure Ordway's point was simple enough in showing that Cap and Superman were stalemating in a direct contest of strength until Freddy and Mary arrived, which is the entire point of my reply.
If you think Cap needs to be amped in order to match Superman's strength, that's certainly your prerogative though.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'm pretty sure Ordway's point was simple enough in showing that Cap and Superman were stalemating in a direct contest of strength until Freddy and Mary arrived, which is the entire point of my reply.If you think Cap needs to be amped in order to match Superman's strength, that's certainly your prerogative though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I think I can understand what ordaway tried to do there perfectly. If you want to dismiss because you think that it doesn't fit with their overall portrayal, then good for you. Perhaps, I can dismiss thor stalemating an amping hulk for one hour because later a base level professor hulk with savage banner limitation stalemated thor for one hour too.
...what?
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I'm not dismissing it at all. It happened, on panel, and is canon (well for pre-DCnU). But it certainly isn't consistent nor does it really make sense as that's the one and only time Cap ever needed to "power stack" with Atlas' strength in his history to directly match Superman. If you think that he needs to explicitly do that in every confrontation with him in spite of him not doing so but the one time, go for it. It doesn't make sense to me personally, but no skin off my back.
What does Thor stalemating Hulk have to do with this convo at all, though? Outside of me liking Thor (which I'm pretty sure is the only reason why you brought it up to begin with)?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...what?😂
I'm not dismissing it at all. It happened, on panel, and is canon (well for pre-DCnU). But it certainly isn't consistent nor does it really make sense as that's the one and only time Cap ever needed to "power stack" with Atlas' strength in his history to directly match Superman. If you think that he needs to explicitly do that in every confrontation with him in spite of him not doing so but the one time, go for it. It doesn't make sense to me personally, but no skin off my back.
What does Thor stalemating Hulk have to do with this convo at all, though? Outside of me liking Thor (which I'm pretty sure is the only reason why you brought it up to begin with)?