(FotJ) Luke Versus DE Sidious Versus Darth Nihilus

Keeping it real here that the only one to not be annoyed or distracted by cold ripping winds would probably be Nihilus, who has no real physical body beneath his armor.

Also, he froze the Exile so he could nomz. Not sure why that's problematic here. We've never seen anyone post-TOR era freeze anyone, last I checked. It's doubtful if they can even resist it.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Keeping it real here that the only one to not be annoyed or distracted by cold ripping winds would probably be Nihilus, who has no real physical body beneath his armor.

Also, he froze the Exile so he could nomz. Not sure why that's problematic here. We've never seen anyone post-TOR era freeze anyone, last I checked. It's doubtful if they can even resist it.

Damn.. good point..

Shit, I knew there was a reason you were among the top-tier debators here.

No wonder your debates with Gideon are like watching Mace Windu and Darth Sidious go toe-to-toe.

Originally posted by dgeoro_scattere
I realize, I was just pointing out the humorous contradiction between what he said and what Nihilus did in the game.

I wouldn't doubt that Nihilus would do the same thing to any force sensitive he sees. He's hungry, and he wants his food the best way possible.

Wow...maybe I was wrong about the Wormhole.

I guess Nihilus really is more powerful than these two..

Stealth Moose
Also, he froze the Exile so he could nomz. Not sure why that's problematic here. We've never seen anyone post-TOR era freeze anyone, last I checked. It's doubtful if they can even resist it.

It's doubtful he can even pull that off against Sidious or Luke.

Originally posted by dgeoro_scattere
It's doubtful he can even pull that off against Sidious or Luke.

On the basis of what exactly?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
On the basis of what exactly?

That's the question I pose to you and since you made your claim first...

There's the simple fact that Force Freeze is virtually unheard of in latter eras. Neither practiced nor defend against obviously.

Assuming a defense of it without a precedent is a very weak position to argue from. Potentially, they may defend against it because of sheer will and/or overall Force knowledge. Or, it may have been lost to time before their era and they're caught unprepared.

It's extremely iffy.

In RoT Bane breaks out of a force stasis simply through sheer force.

"Farfalla released the power he'd been gathering in a single concentrated burst. Bane was suddenly encased in a shimmering stasis field of light-side energy, freezing him where he stood. But his command of the dark side was too powerful for it to hold him for more than a split second. The shimmering field exploded into fragments as the Dark Lord broke free, though the momentary delay had allowed the Echani to place herself between the Ithorian and the Sith."

Sidious mind dominates Nihilus and uses him as a weapon against Luke.
Sensing the danger, Luke uses his mind powers to subdue Nihilus and turns him against Sidious.

The battle continues untill both of them die due to old age.

As they perish, N. wins. /thread

Plus it the Bane series, defending against a Force attack seemed to have pretty much just been a wall of your own will and Force energy to stop it. Seemed that way to me. Meaning if you outclass your opponent to a degree bordering or in the absurd, you won't be hurt badly, if at all. I think Luke outclasses Nihilus to about that degree based on feats and not speculation.

Nihilus's Giga-drain is pretty much insta-kill, and the stun-effect is definitely instantanious so a hit would mean death, anyway - so I was wondering..

As of Luke. He can't use electric judgement nor will he have oneness with the Force to have all that overwhelming lightside energy to convert into lightning. And assuming him experience this state during this confrontation would be unfairly biased. Plus, it is darkside power.
Luke doesn't use fold space during combat and unlikely can. The only example in combat is Abeloth during her first fight with Sith and Jedi. But she was teleporting herself, never did objects.

As for Palpatine. Both Force storm and wormhole are channeling powers involving a lot of concentration, non of it would be used in combat as it would lead to silly death.

As of Nihilus. During combat with Surik he couldn't even drain his former apprentice and a non-Force user mandalorian. Though Force drain does work during combat as I know examples confirming it in books.

Regarding Luke and Palpatine's resistance. In Anakin's case he had to find teachings of Kel-Droma because no one in Order ever encountered it nor there was a practitioner of it to learn by practice. But Luke encountered drain on more than one occasion and Palpatine did it himself.
Although, it is implied that no one could withstand Nihilus' drain, he simply was more powerful, than Jedi of that time, even with knowledge of resistance they would be overpowered. However. both Luke and Palpatine are immensely powerful in their own right.

Luke tactic: use Force only for defensive purposes and use only lighsaber for offensive.
Palpatine: offensive powers mostly against Luke. Could try Force lightning agaisnt Nihilus. There is no evidence of him absorbing Force lightning. And as we know Force lightning is not a pure Force, it is energy produced by Force, which is essentially electricity heating objects to extreme temperatures.
Nihilus: he noms. 😄

There's the simple fact that Force Freeze is virtually unheard of in latter eras. Neither practiced nor defend against obviously.