Originally posted by -Pr-He mastered omnipotent power. The scan makes it clear. If you want to deny the statements meant to draw together what is taking place on panel go right ahead. Like I said anyone showing willpower to commandeer the supreme power of the universe they are in another level. I always back my case.
Yes, because character statements are always factual evidence.You're usually better than this quanny.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He mastered omnipotent power. The scan makes it clear. If you want to deny the statements meant to draw together what is taking place on panel go right ahead. Like I said anyone showing willpower to commandeer the supreme power of the universe they are in another level. I always back my case.
The difference is, Thanos was tricked. Doom wasn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
In case anyone missed the key words in the scan. [B]I alone. [/B]
...and the other key words:
the will and training.
Notice that he explicitly says "and training" rather than just "will". That is not a statement proving anything. Even if it were just "will", which is explicitly isn't, a character statement from the likes of Thanos regarding Thanos can hardly be considered impartial or incontrovertibly true.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He mastered omnipotent power. The scan makes it clear. If you want to deny the statements meant to draw together what is taking place on panel go right ahead. Like I said anyone showing willpower to commandeer the supreme power of the universe they are in another level. I always back my case.
if only you'd actually back it up with relevant information, then we'd be sorted.
Originally posted by CogitoHis will is bolstered up through his training. You aren't born with a great willpower your experiences make this so. This isn't Lucifer in which he was created with infinite will. Thanos' experiences made his will into what it was.
...and the other key words:[b]the will and training
.Notice that he explicitly says "and training" rather than just "will". That is not a statement proving anything. Even if it were just "will", which is explicitly isn't, a character statement from the likes of Thanos regarding Thanos can hardly be considered impartial or incontrovertibly true. [/B]
Yes, Thanos alone had the will and the training. To master omnipotent power on panel through sheer willpower and training. I dare you to find a better feat of will power out there.
Whether or not you take Thanos at his word (the writer is making it clear but I will play along) he does become supreme so his statements of commandeering supreme power are backed by his actions. The writer's intent is crystal clear.
Originally posted by -Pr-I just submitted a feat. Now you can enter a feat of Hal Jordan's. I think they aren't on the same level. It is pretty much Thanos and Lucifer on a playing field by themselves. I wouldn't call anyone else in comics a peer to him in terms of will. Hal is on the level of the heroes wit great willpower. They just aren't in the upper echelon. If you disagree and want to submit feats I have some spare time.
if only you'd actually back it up with relevant information, then we'd be sorted.
Originally posted by quanchi112
When did Doom master omnipotent power ? If you are suggesting the Beyonder is comparable to the heart of the universe then you need to update yourself.
A wounded, dying Doom beat him with his willpower.
Not a bad feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I just submitted a feat. Now you can enter a feat of Hal Jordan's. I think they aren't on the same level. It is pretty much Thanos and Lucifer on a playing field by themselves. I wouldn't call anyone else in comics a peer to him in terms of will. Hal is on the level of the heroes wit great willpower. They just aren't in the upper echelon. If you disagree and want to submit feats I have some spare time.
It's that kind of trolling that got even Bada's patience to run out with you, tbh.
Originally posted by golem370Thanos humbling Galactus with several plot devices was impressive. Doom did that twice.
Thanos took on Hunger a creature more powerful then even Galactus and on top of that he got Galactus to leave the Rigelian planet alone as well. He even humbled Galactus and scolded him, this was Thanos at his own power level
Originally posted by quanchi112
His will is bolstered up through his training.
No. Thanos specifically stated the training, which was not his will.
Thanos:
My theory was that the order filtered and absorbed the Heart's power through its instrumentation because physically they could not directly accept such naked energies
Thanos:
I, on the other hand, had spent my entire life housing massive stores of might within my physical self
Thanos:
My hope was that I could mesh with the omnipotence and gain control of it
Thanos:
I alone had the will and training to accomplish this seemingly impossible feat
It's basic reading comprehension.
Originally posted by CogitoI realized my flesh was not up the task. You took all that time to embarrass yourself because as you will soon see I read the issue. The funny thing is even in the scan his flesh can't store the energy but here's the next page.
No. Thanos specifically stated the training, which was not his will.Read: The Heart can't interact with normal beings because they can't physically handle the energy.
Read: I, on the other hand, had spent my entire life training my body to store energy
Read: My hope was that, through training my body to store energy, I would be able to gain control of the Heart's power.
Read: I alone had the will and physical training to accomplish this seemingly impossible feat.
It's basic reading comprehension.
Through sheer force of will I prevailed.
You embarrassed yourself. Greatly.
Originally posted by -Pr-You have to admit that's as pretty high end as it gets. This is why I say Thanos sits atop and the only one I can acknowledge as his peer is Lucifer.
It's that kind of trolling that got even Bada's patience to run out with you, tbh.
Originally posted by Kid KurdyYes, before he was retconned. He was retconned and Doom showed that his will broke under the immense pressure of storing that power within himself. Thanos did no such thing. Thanos is at the top of the mountain imo. Your feat doesn't even come close to the heart and in the end Doom's will broke.
The Beyonder, before he was retconned, was the most powerful Marvel character ever, at least as powerful as the Living Tribunal.A wounded, dying Doom beat him with his willpower.
Not a bad feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You embarrassed yourself. Greatly.
Hardly. I merely responded to your claim that Thanos had trained his will. He did not. He was specifically referring to his body.
I'm not arguing that Thanos' willpower isn't among the strongest, but he's not tops. The latter feat you posted is an impressive willpower feat, but something that Doom and a handful of others could just as easily accomplish.
Originally posted by CogitoHis body had been trained by housing energies through his experiences. His body wasn't up to the task.
Hardly. I merely responded to your claim that Thanos had trained his will. He did not. He was specifically referring to his body.I'm not arguing that Thanos' willpower isn't among the strongest, but he's not tops. The latter feat you posted is an impressive willpower feat, but something that Doom and a handful of others could just as easily accomplish.
Then show Doom or a hostful of others accomplishing something similar. You posted this.
Originally posted by CogitoThis means you didn't read the entire scan as he clearly says his flesh wasn't up to the task. That was Thanos' theory. He acted very quickly. Thanos still mastered omnipotence on panel and later cemented it by not even budging against the Lt, Eternity, and Infinity, etc.
...and the other key words:[b]the will and training
.Notice that he explicitly says "and training" rather than just "will". That is not a statement proving anything. Even if it were just "will", which is explicitly isn't, a character statement from the likes of Thanos regarding Thanos can hardly be considered impartial or incontrovertibly true. [/B]
Again, Doom's will has broken on panel. You can continue to say they can but they didn't. Thanos has. Period. You embarrassed yourself. You tried to nitpick and were flat out destroyed.
Thanos sits atop the mountain. Thanos destroys Doom.
