Thanos VS Erishkigal VS Magus
This time Thanos has the Starbrand(only the starbrand , no congress amp etc.) and Erishkigal manages to get a hold of the classic 616 infinity gauntlet .
Magus possesses 100 cosmic cubes(all of them are at 100% power and fully functional) .
Battle is to death and takes place in the 616-universe .
Who wins ?
Originally posted by TheGodKillerAnd the congress was a major part of those stipulations .
Which is why I'll ask you again
:are you sure that Thanos will come in 3rd even with the congress amp ?
Remember, it's withIN the Nexus itself that the Congress (nexus guardians)
can harness the multiverses' nexus energies collectively,
this coupled with the merging of the Starbrand,
gives the Starbrand enough power to shift the Cosmic Axis,
therefore causing Chaos to grow in the Multiverse due to an imbalance.
According to the LT,
the Starbrand merged with the Congress while located within the Nexus of Realities,
was a "potential peer to the Abstracts"
... but "would not be able to withstand the power of the LT"
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These stipulated circumstances aside,
and the Starbrand is a potential universal power:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, outside the Nexus of Realities, the congress can't help the Starbrand.
Remember, it's withIN the Nexus itself that the Congress (nexus guardians)
can harness the multiverses' nexus energies collectively,
this coupled with the merging of the Starbrand,
gives the Starbrand enough power to shift the Cosmic Axis,
therefore causing Chaos to grow in the Multiverse due to an imbalance.
Originally posted by Mr Master
According to the LT,
the Starbrand merged with the Congress while located within the Nexus of Realities,
was a "potential peer to the Abstracts"
... but "would not be able to withstand the power of the LT"
So , Erishkigal basically laughed off the LT's threat to which the LT responded by proposing that contest via proxies .
In this case , Erishkigal is at least as much of a threat as Warlock w/IG was . Difference is the LT was able to use the guilt trap of "all realities getting destroyed in our clash" to perfection with Warlock , whereas Erishkigal simply didn't give a damn .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerWhen we talk about an "amp" , we imply it to be a functional
amp . Since the congress is being talked about here as an "amp" ,
they are a functional amp . I.E , they give the starbrand whatever
boost is necessary as was the case in that quasar issue . But since
the location here is not the NoR , what was the point in bringing up
the congress amp ?
My point of bringing it up is that it still wouldn't be enough.
What Erishkigal was trying to do, with all it's external power sources & stipulations:
(Starbrand/Congress amp/NoR)
was to shift the Cosmic Axis ...
... in order to bring down Eternity/Infinity.
Same thing that went down during the Dormy/Umar arc.
IG > Eternity/Infinity
Originally posted by TheGodKillerThis , I believe , is the scan(you showed a cropped version of it
in the original Erishkigal VS Thanos thread) from which this
statement of the LT's comes from :LT : "Heed me Erishkigal , I acknowledge you as a being of vast
power.....a potential peer to the Abstract Entities.But not even you
could withstand the unleashed powers of the Living Tribunal .Cease
your disruption or I will enlist the highest powers in the multiverse
to annihilate you!"
To which Erishkigal responds : "I don't respond well to threats , 3-face!"
Originally posted by TheGodKillerSo , Erishkigal basically laughed off the LT's threat to which the
LT responded by proposing that contest via proxies .
Or does it simply mean that Erishkigal is a bad mouth who doesn't take shit?
Also,
remember, this is a Quasar issue that needed Quasar to be part of the story,
and the Silver Surfer was due another cameo in a Quasar issue.
This is where "plot" comes in and prolongs things so the
mainstream characters can have their day.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIn this case , Erishkigal is at least as much of a threat as
Warlock w/IG was . Difference is the LT was able to use the guilt
trap of "all realities getting destroyed in our clash" to perfection
with Warlock , whereas Erishkigal simply didn't give a damn .
Erishkigal acting tough doesn't = to giving her status in power.
LT didn't guilt trip Warlock either, the story had to end with a sensible conclusion.
The fact that the LT withstood unharmed and then reversed Warlock's furious blast,
with a simple gesture no less, proved everything.
The fact that it would take the LT destroying all reality to take the IG,
only cements how powerful the IG is.
While the LT was gonna enlist the Cosmics that Thanos easily
stomed to annihilate Erishkigal.
*edit*
In any case, the subsequent arcs clarified that the LT was above the IG without question.
The Handbooks also corroborated this on panel fact.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Congress amp only works within the NoR, as we agree.My point of bringing it up is that it still wouldn't be enough.
What Erishkigal was trying to do, with all it's external power sources & stipulations:
(Starbrand/Congress amp/NoR)
to shift the Cosmic Axis ...... was to bring down Eternity/Infinity.
Same thing that went down during the Dormy/Umar arc.
IG > Eternity/Infinity
Cool, and it makes no difference,
cause my point related to a specific part of the page.So Erishkigal "laughed off" a threat, means something?
Or does it simply mean that Erishkigal is a bad mouth who doesn't take shit?
Also,
remember, this is a Quasar issue that needed Quasar to be part of the story,
and the Silver Surfer was due another cameo in a Quasar issue.This is where "plot" comes in and prolongs things so the
mainstream characters can have their day.Not in my opinion, not even close.
Erishkigal acting tough doesn't = to giving her status in power.
LT didn't guilt trip Warlock either, the story had to end with a sensible conclusion.
The fact that the LT withstood unharmed and then reversed Warlock's furious blast,
with a simple gesture no less, proved everything.The fact that it would take the LT destroying all reality to take the IG,
only cements how powerful the IG is.While the LT was gonna enlist the Cosmics that Thanos easily
stomed to annihilate Erishkigal.*edit*
In any case, the subsequent arcs clarified that the LT was above the IG without question.
The Handbooks also corroborated these on panel fact.
If Erishkigal didn't have the power , do you think that she would "laugh off" a threat from the second most powerful being in Marvel Actuality ?
Also the Warlock confrontation , imo , clearly shows that , at the very least , Erishkigal w/ Starbrand+fully functional congress amp is as great a threat to LT as Warlock w/IG .
And LT did indeed use the guilt trap on Warlock , by blackmailing him with the "All reality will get destroyed in such a confraontation. Is that what you want? Is that the type of god you are? " line.
IIRC , LT himself wasn't sure which way the fight would have gone , yet he was unwilling to get in a direct confrontation with Ersishkigal . However , if you still believe that even w/ the congress amp, the IG is greater , then to each his own . Your opinions are respected and welcome .
Although I am disappointed by the fact that the person who asked for this thread to be made , has refused to reply to it .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIf Erishkigal didn't have the power , do you think that she would
"laugh off" a threat from the second most powerful being in Marvel
Actuality ?
I've seen the Stranger actually having the nerve to threaten the LT
in a Silver Surfer issue, but that doesn't mean squat if they can't act on it.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerAlso the Warlock confrontation , imo , clearly shows that , at the
very least , Erishkigal w/ Starbrand+fully functional congress amp
is as great a threat to LT as Warlock w/IG .
But I disagree completely.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerAnd LT did indeed use the guilt trap on Warlock , by blackmailing
him with the "All reality will get destroyed in such a confraontation.
Is that what you want? Is that the type of god you are? " line.
There's nothing wrong with that, the LT isn't a cowboy looking for a fight.
He's always allowed (or given the chance to) lesser beings to fix their own problems,
like he spared the Earth so Dr Strange could fix the situation before the LT acted.
Warlock had just saved Reality from Nebula.
The LT doesn't "blackmail" ... he told Warlock the facts.
I have to take that glove off of ya by force, and everything around us dies.
That aside,
since the up coming run of Warlock and the Infinity Watch was about to be published,
we can see how Warlock needed to keep the glove,
and disperse these Gems himself to individuals to form said group.
Now you see why the LT was not allowed to stomp the IG out of Warlock's hand.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIIRC , LT himself wasn't sure which way the fight would have
gone , yet he was unwilling to get in a direct confrontation with
Ersishkigal . However , if you still believe that even w/ the congress
amp, the IG is greater , then to each his own .
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The LT's Handbook bio actually references "Infinity Watch #1"
as the issue where the LT demonstrated his superiority over the IG:
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In the "Chronicles" run, we learn that Warlock was "ordered" by the LT, and as we know he obeyed:
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The 616 IG was such a potent force,
that it was actually a direct order from TOAA that ordered the last ban on the Gems:
(end of Infinity War)
That says a lot.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerYour opinions are
respected and welcome .
So , Erishkigal basically laughed off the LT's threat to which the LT responded by proposing that contest via proxies .
In this case , Erishkigal is at least as much of a threat as Warlock w/IG was . Difference is the LT was able to use the guilt trap of "all realities getting destroyed in our clash" to perfection with Warlock , whereas Erishkigal simply didn't give a damn .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
LT : "Heed me Erishkigal , I acknowledge you as a being of vast power.....a potential peer to the Abstract Entities.But not even you could withstand the unleashed powers of the Living Tribunal .Cease your disruption or I will enlist the highest powers in the multiverse to annihilate you!"
To which Erishkigal responds : "I don't respond well to threats , 3-face!"
The Starbrand got this.
Originally posted by zopzopNot only did she laugh off his threat to attack her,
she laughed off the threat of him enlisting : THE HIGHET POWERS IN
THE MULTIVERSE to annihilate her!
Although other than begin to shift the Cosmic Axis via the stipulations,
she did absolutely nothing, like nothing at all to warrant such a status
amongst proven CCUs and the IG.
In any case, shifting the Cosmic Axis only hurts Space-Time (Eternity/infinity)
which unbalances reality causing Chaos to grow.
Big deal, when the IG stomped all of them like babies.
Look at the trouble Erishkigal had to go through to take down Eternity.
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As for the "HIGHEST POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE"
I've heard that before, and that was only to take out Korvac who
couldn't destroy a Universe under his own power.
"The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"
srugdoped
Originally posted by Mr Master
So now the new one is, laugh at your opponent = you defeat, you can defeat, or you = your opponent.Although other than begin to shift the Cosmic Axis via the stipulations,
she did absolutely nothing, like nothing at all to warrant such a status
amongst proven CCUs and the IG.In any case, shifting the Cosmic Axis only hurts Space-Time (Eternity/infinity)
which unbalances reality causing Chaos to grow.Big deal, when the IG stomped all of them like babies.
Look at the trouble Erishkigal had to go through to take down Eternity.
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As for the "HIGHEST POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE"
[b]I've heard that before
, and that was only to take out Korvac who
couldn't destroy a Universe under his own power."The most awesome assembly of diverse power-wielders in the history of the Multiverse"
srugdoped [/B]
Good job with the Korvac reference book. But in my defense, that was a What If this was 616 reality.
