Originally posted by TheMask
Dormammu is still skyfather level though.
Well , without prep and/or plot devices , Strange has always been considerably below a skyfather . Thanos on the other hand was able to hold his own(even if he didn't decisively win) against one of the strongest known skyfathers in the latter's own realm .
Be objective in who you pick as the winner in this thread . Don't let your hate for quanchi influence your decision .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Omnipotence is defined as unlimited power and ability to do anything . That said , even if he was using only individual gems(which is HIGHLY unlikely) to counter specific abstracts , I am sure he was backing up every individual gem with the rest of thee gauntlet just to be sure .
Otherwise , Strange could have stalemated Thanos the same way he did with Warlock .
Ok, but at the end of their battle, do you think Warlock was finally using "all" of the gems to overpower Strange?
If that's the case, the fact Strange put up any sort of fight at all is the feat.
Originally posted by cdtm
Ok, but at the end of their battle, do you think Warlock was finally using "all" of the gems to overpower Strange?If that's the case, the fact Strange put up any sort of fight at all is the feat.
No , but the point is if Warlock had used all the gems together , do you think Strange(despite all the prep he had) would have lasted for even a second ? Plus , I doubt that Warlock would have been able to use all the gems anyways , since from what you told me , Strange had managed to wrest control of the soul gem , and considering how Nebula lost the IG , because of the soul gem , I doubt Warlock could have prevailed .
The thing about Strange, is he's basically a conduit for abstract power.
So theoretically, I do believe Strange can become the most powerful being in the 616 MU (Obviously, LT and the like would be well above him no matter what), only by virtue of all the powers in the MU agreeing to focus their power through his body. If you read Slayers or watch the anime, Lina Inverse calling on the Lord of Nightmares is an the basic concept..
Which requires very special circumstances, since abstracts are usually a petty, self interested group..
Originally posted by cdtm
The thing about Strange, is he's basically a conduit for abstract power.So theoretically, I do believe Strange can become the most powerful being in the 616 MU (Obviously, LT and the like would be well above him no matter what), only by virtue of all the powers in the MU agreeing to focus their power through his body.
Which requires very special circumstances, since abstracts are usually a petty, self interested group..
You think the Vishanti , the Octessence , the Seraphim or any of the "mystic beings" he invokes power from , are Abstracts ?
Originally posted by cdtm
The thing about Strange, is he's basically a conduit for abstract power.
If you read Slayers or watch the anime, Lina Inverse calling on the Lord of Nightmares is an the basic concept..
Slayers universe works differently than Marvel Universe , even at the magical level .
Also , LoN is essentially a TOAA-esque figure in Slayers , so Lina being able to invoke power from her isn't relevant to the mystic entities Strange invokes power from .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You think the Vishanti , the Octessence , the Seraphim or any of the "mystic beings" he invokes power from , are Abstracts ?
Well, I figure the skyfathers would be a drop in the bucket against something like the Gauntlet. (They weren't even called upon to fight, after all.) He can, and has, invoked abstracts like Eternity.
But ok, "higher powers".
Originally posted by Estacado
Thread says at their best so Strange wins.
Thread also says without prep . Strange is usually at his best with at least some level of prep . So , by default , he is at his next best here , w/o any kind of prep .
This isn't a a total stomp in his favor as most people on this thread have implied it to be .