Franklin was able to contend with 3 Celestials simultaneously, and ultimately destroyed 2 of them. I'd say he's beyond Celestial-level.
Anyway, if we are assuming Ion was capable of the same feats ZH Parallax preformed (which is logical considering they shared the same power source), then he likely wins.
Originally posted by Galan007
Franklin was able to contend with 3 Celestials simultaneously, and ultimately destroyed 2 of them. I'd say he's beyond Celestial-level.Anyway, if we are assuming Ion was capable of the same feats ZH Parallax preformed (which is logical considering they shared the same power source), then he likely wins.
Originally posted by Galan007If you're applying Hallax's Zero Hour feats because of the same power[though there were some allusions that he was even more powerful, it just never really went that far], then he's a far cry from Celestial level.
Franklin was able to contend with 3 Celestials simultaneously, and ultimately destroyed 2 of them. I'd say he's beyond Celestial-level.Anyway, if we are assuming Ion was capable of the same feats ZH Parallax preformed (which is logical considering they shared the same power source), then he likely wins.
Originally posted by TheMaskCorrect, not a whole lot, but he could could exist everywhere and anywhen he chose, and alluded he had an even greater control of the universe and timestream than Parallax/Hal did, in his conversation with Hal.
Ion didnt have many showings did he? He repowered the battery, but thats about it, He was able to be everywhere at once but as for showings he didnt do much.
Other than that, he created Oblivion with a link to a fraction of that power before ever obtaining it, and also created the heros to help him through the story, all by accident.
Originally posted by JuntaiI was specifically talking about Franklin being quite a bit more powerful than a Celestial, in response to a comment that his 'power-cap' was exclusively Celestial-level. I wasn't referring to Hal or Kyle's power with that particular statement.
If you're applying Hallax's Zero Hour feats because of the same power[though there were some allusions that he was even more powerful, it just never really went that far], then he's a far cry from Celestial level.
Originally posted by TheMaskHe had the same power source as Hal, and Hal destroyed the universe (with ease) and began creating his own universe in its place--all while fighting multiple heroes (inc. Corrigan-Spectre.) Ion should logically be on at least that level.
Ion didnt have many showings did he? He repowered the battery, but thats about it, He was able to be everywhere at once but as for showings he didnt do much.
Originally posted by Galan007I understood, I was just adding my two cents about the feat-sharing, mostly.
I was specifically talking about Franklin being quite a bit more powerful than a Celestial, in response to a comment that his 'power-cap' was exclusively Celestial-level. I wasn't referring to Hal or Kyle's power with that particular statement.
Just to clarify, Oblivion creation was not due to the energies of Parallax found in the sun. Oblivion did not seek out those energies until after he reunited with Kyle.
Oblivion was created due to Kyle, given form from his Ring energy.
Kyle ring/battery was truly a special one. Hal had invested a large amount Oan energy in Kyle personal battery. His ring had no limitations. The investment of Oan energy was so grand, that its inner dimension replicated Oa. Nor did it need a Central battery, making his personal battery completely independent.
Originally posted by "Id"I'm pretty sure leading up to the ION storyline that Kyle started unknowingly tapping into the power Hal left behind. He saw major leaps and bounds through the course of that year.
Just to clarify, Oblivion creation was not due to the energies of Parallax found in the sun. Oblivion did not seek out those energies until reuniting with Kyle.Oblivion was created due to Kyle, given form from his GL Ring.
Kyle ring/battery was truly a special one. Hal had invested a large amount Oan energy in Kyle personal battery. His ring had no limitations. The investment of Oan energy was so grand, that its inner dimension replicated Oa. Nor did it need a Central battery, making his personal battery completely independent.
It even started frequently reassuring us of how powerful he was, and was becoming. Started dropping in tidbits, often comparing him to Hal.
Originally posted by Juntai
I'm pretty sure leading up to the ION storyline that Kyle started unknowingly tapping into the power Hal left behind. He saw major leaps and bounds through the course of that year.
Yes but that was some time after Circle Fire. The Plot makes clear reference of when, and why Oblivion was created. And puts a time frame of when Oblivion began to seek out the Oan energies left int he Sun.
Originally posted by Juntai
Then this came to a culmination when Kyle and Nero were both growing in power from it.
Yes but I am only pointing out the origin of Oblivion. Which is due to Kyle battery/ring. Members tend to think that his creation is partially due to Kyle tapping into the Ion energies. Which is incorrect.
Originally posted by "Id"So you think Kyle started randomly creating other entities based on abstract concepts, with full identities and personalities and histories and powers of their own beyond his own powerset, and in full spectrum of color- and also a being that can casually cause massive cosmic events, tearing open black holes and creating supernovas and such. . . . completely randomly, because he's just a boss like that with an awesome ring?
Yes but I am only pointing out the origin of Oblivion. Which is due to Kyle battery/ring. Members tend to think that his creation is partially due to Kyle tapping into the Ion energies. Which is incorrect.
